nate_1979 9 #26 October 12, 2005 I'm questioning if I can even stall it, ... I've done some pretty hard turns on this canopy... I think I'll stop due to fear of passing out before I get this thing to do a turning stall FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #27 October 12, 2005 QuoteI'm questioning if I can even stall it, ... I've done some pretty hard turns on this canopy... I think I'll stop due to fear of passing out before I get this thing to do a turning stall We are under the same wingloading at not too different sizes (yours is bigger), so that may be true (caution, caution), it depends on canopy. I know my former 230 was a big boat enough for me that hard turns didn't cause problems on that... But under a 190 (bigger than my current 710), I spun myself into linetwists (minor ones, but...) just simply by turning 90 right... then turning 90 left in the opposite direction too quickly. Now if I am doing abrupt S-turning tests at high altitude, I monitor line tension. I think I could probably easily spin myself into linetwists just by yankng a toggle down then letting it up suddenly. Never tried so dramatically under my 170, but I did get the line tension down dramatically a few times (not slack, but almost...) in intentional aggressive turn tests at play altitude, no linetwists, and the canopy was still above me, but that definitely taught me at least a thing or two about the limits of my canopy... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkM 0 #28 October 12, 2005 QuoteI'm questioning if I can even stall it, ... I've done some pretty hard turns on this canopy... I think I'll stop due to fear of passing out before I get this thing to do a turning stall Yeah you can stall your canopy. Do a hop and pop, grab a couple extra feet of brake line above both toggles and pull real hard. You can even make your canopy collapse back into itself. Do the above in a turn with just one toggle might be more, uh, interesting. Haven't tried that yet, think I'll pass on it too as I only have 1 hook knife on my rig and a manuever like that might require 2 or 3 of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nate_1979 9 #29 October 12, 2005 ooops, ment to say stall it in a turn I've already stalled it, I did that while figuring out where I wanted my brakes set as a new canopy. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nate_1979 9 #30 October 12, 2005 Yea, I dont do rapid S-turns for that reason, I knew of the line twist possibilities from doing that... The thing I want to see is if I can get my canopy to stall from doing too much of a turn, and if so what it takes to cause that.. It esecially caught my attention when someone mentioned seeing someone else do that on 90 degree turns on their landing patterns, I've done some pretty hard turns on my landing patterns not even thinking about the canopy stalling.. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #31 October 12, 2005 Come on! I can fly in full brakes as long as I want to. I've heard your advice for student canopies already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #32 October 12, 2005 QuoteCome on! I can fly in full brakes as long as I want to. I've heard your advice for student canopies already. What advice for student canopies? I'm just telling you that if you want to stall your canopy, student canopy or not, using toggles, taking a wrap or 2 will do it. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #33 October 12, 2005 Ok. Don't you feel is strange? Having a 150sqft canopy @ WL 1.4 and it opens soft, lands soft and you can not stall with toggles? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mr2mk1g 10 #34 October 12, 2005 Pilot's fly great in deap brakes and have lovely slow flight characteristics. Not all canopies are like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dragon2 2 #35 October 12, 2005 No it's not strange really. There's no rule saying you should be able to stall your canopy with toggles Actually NOT being able to stall them sounds better to me, because you can't do it by accident (esp students) and you're brake lines are probably long enough that you can use your front risers without braking at the same time. As long as you can flare the canopy to a standstill on a no-wind day, your breaklines are not too long ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #36 October 12, 2005 Agree We should not hijack the thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #37 October 14, 2005 QuotePilot's fly great in deap brakes and have lovely slow flight characteristics. Not all canopies are like that. Right on, bro! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riddler 0 #38 October 17, 2005 I've induced line twists on a Navigator canopy, loaded at less than 1:1. I spun about 7 times , and made it wrap itself up above my head. It can be done - take it easy on those multiple spins.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #39 October 17, 2005 Well done ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rhino 0 #40 October 18, 2005 QuoteI have watched other people do at least 5 consecutive spirals, so I was suprised when I nearly got into serious trouble yesterday I've done dozens at a time under a FX86 at 2.2 with no problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,998 #41 October 18, 2005 >I've done dozens at a time under a FX86 at 2.2 with no problems. As have I under a 2.2 to 1 loaded Xaos-27. You can safely spiral any canopy but you _cannot_ just pull one toggle all the way down hard and expect things to work out well, unless your canopy is very very large (i.e. a Navigator or some such.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites phoenixlpr 0 #42 October 19, 2005 I think I can do that on a 150. I don't think thats very large. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
nate_1979 9 #29 October 12, 2005 ooops, ment to say stall it in a turn I've already stalled it, I did that while figuring out where I wanted my brakes set as a new canopy. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #30 October 12, 2005 Yea, I dont do rapid S-turns for that reason, I knew of the line twist possibilities from doing that... The thing I want to see is if I can get my canopy to stall from doing too much of a turn, and if so what it takes to cause that.. It esecially caught my attention when someone mentioned seeing someone else do that on 90 degree turns on their landing patterns, I've done some pretty hard turns on my landing patterns not even thinking about the canopy stalling.. FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #31 October 12, 2005 Come on! I can fly in full brakes as long as I want to. I've heard your advice for student canopies already. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #32 October 12, 2005 QuoteCome on! I can fly in full brakes as long as I want to. I've heard your advice for student canopies already. What advice for student canopies? I'm just telling you that if you want to stall your canopy, student canopy or not, using toggles, taking a wrap or 2 will do it. ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #33 October 12, 2005 Ok. Don't you feel is strange? Having a 150sqft canopy @ WL 1.4 and it opens soft, lands soft and you can not stall with toggles? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr2mk1g 10 #34 October 12, 2005 Pilot's fly great in deap brakes and have lovely slow flight characteristics. Not all canopies are like that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #35 October 12, 2005 No it's not strange really. There's no rule saying you should be able to stall your canopy with toggles Actually NOT being able to stall them sounds better to me, because you can't do it by accident (esp students) and you're brake lines are probably long enough that you can use your front risers without braking at the same time. As long as you can flare the canopy to a standstill on a no-wind day, your breaklines are not too long ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #36 October 12, 2005 Agree We should not hijack the thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #37 October 14, 2005 QuotePilot's fly great in deap brakes and have lovely slow flight characteristics. Not all canopies are like that. Right on, bro! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #38 October 17, 2005 I've induced line twists on a Navigator canopy, loaded at less than 1:1. I spun about 7 times , and made it wrap itself up above my head. It can be done - take it easy on those multiple spins.Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #39 October 17, 2005 Well done ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhino 0 #40 October 18, 2005 QuoteI have watched other people do at least 5 consecutive spirals, so I was suprised when I nearly got into serious trouble yesterday I've done dozens at a time under a FX86 at 2.2 with no problems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #41 October 18, 2005 >I've done dozens at a time under a FX86 at 2.2 with no problems. As have I under a 2.2 to 1 loaded Xaos-27. You can safely spiral any canopy but you _cannot_ just pull one toggle all the way down hard and expect things to work out well, unless your canopy is very very large (i.e. a Navigator or some such.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #42 October 19, 2005 I think I can do that on a 150. I don't think thats very large. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
