kallend 2,026 #51 November 19, 2002 Quote> Things like AAD's can help, but come in a poor second behind education and common sense. They aren't mutually exclusive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christoofar 0 #52 November 19, 2002 In the case of physical incapacitation while conscious, like a dislocated shoulder which I had last year, it is very easy to land your canopy with one working arm. In my case I was flying a Racer with no CYPRES. A full dislocation on both arms will make pulling your handles almost impossible. You can only flex your biceps in that case, and you need your shoulder muscles like your rear deltoids to get the hackey or the d-ring out. A CYPRES will most likely be the only way to survive. In my case.. had that jumper who went vertical also had a good grip on my left arm and pulled it out of whack too... I would not be here typing this now because I would have bounced. In my case, it was just a 2-way that ripped my right shoulder out of its socket. Incapacitation can happen on ANY dive, even on a solo. My DZ lost a camera flyer a few years ago over this scenario. He owned multiple rigs, one with a Cypres and the rest without. Guess which rig he was flying that day... ____________________________________________________________ I'm RICK JAMES! Fo shizzle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #53 November 19, 2002 QuoteIn the case of physical incapacitation while conscious, like a dislocated shoulder which I had last year, it is very easy to land your canopy with one working arm. Please be careful with what you're saying. It would suck for someone to take what you said at face value and then try to follow your lead when they're deep in the beeps. Deciding whether to unstow brakes is gonna be canopy/situation dependent. The ability to unstow brakes is gonna depend on a few things too (e.g. riser length). The safety of landing a high-performance main without a flare or with a 1 handed flare is marginal at best. I encourage everyone to give serious thought about their procedures for such an emergency, and if they come up with any questions, to practice their proposed solutions while there is no emergency (i.e. fake a dislocated shoulder.) Quote In my case I was flying a Racer with no CYPRES. What was your canopy and wingloading? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
usmcdannyboy 0 #54 November 20, 2002 ok so we all can agree that it's a personal choice. what about the scuttlebutt i have heard that a few drop zones are going with a rule NO AAD NO JUMP. and what happens when someone in USPA decides this sounds like a good rule. THIS THREAD IS BEING HIJACKED IN THE NAME OF ALLAHA!!! I am the light my son...What you seek is fire Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #55 November 20, 2002 There are about 5 DZ's that require AAD's to jump at their DZ. No big deal... its their business and its no different them them saying you have to have 200 jumps before you can land on the airport, or even no round canopies, no canopies over a certian wingloading or you can only jump pink and purple gear. If you don't like the policy of the DZ... don't go there, its that simple. In order for the USPA to make AAD's manditory it has to be approved via the BOD (see why its important to vote?), and there are currently a lot more on the BOD that will sooner strike you down then pass something that requires AAD's on all jumpers.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #56 November 20, 2002 >what about the scuttlebutt i have heard that a few drop zones are > going with a rule NO AAD NO JUMP. and what happens when > someone in USPA decides this sounds like a good rule. I heard that too, and an even more scary rumor. Why, I heard that someone with 75 jumps showed up at a DZ with a 97 sqft canopy - and they wouldn't let him jump it! Imagine that - a USPA member with a perfectly airworthy rig, denied access to a drop zone due to the arbitrary rule some power-hungry DZO made. What happens when someone at USPA decides to prohibit all 97 square foot canopies? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
decompresion 2 #57 March 16, 2012 Next thing you know, they ban swooping altogetherThere are no dangerous dives Only dangerous divers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowturnlewis 0 #58 March 16, 2012 At a few DZ's where I jump AAD's are required. No AAD no jump. Doesn't matter what experiance level you are at. Besides I did see a save from an AAD - I know that person thought the investment was worth it. Just consider an AAD as another part of the rig you need for jumping. On and on... blue skies and safe landings Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #59 March 16, 2012 Quote Next thing you know, they ban swooping altogether A TEN YEAR OLD thread....Really?? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #60 March 16, 2012 Hi MR T Thanks for the heads upalmost got sucked in,10 yr old threadR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #61 March 17, 2012 Quote Quote Next thing you know, they ban swooping altogether A TEN YEAR OLD thread....Really?? Might be interesting to see if anyone's opinions have changed over the last 10 years. There's been a lot more saves in that time, one of them a friend of mine. Might also be interesting to see if anyone would own up to a changed mindYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyjumpenfool 2 #62 March 20, 2012 There’ve also been some problems?? I still do not use one, mostly due to the cost. I'm not sure (in my own mind) if the advantages outweigh the disadvantages. Convince me ----Birdshit & Fools Productions "Son, only two things fall from the sky." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #63 March 20, 2012 Might be interesting to see if anyone's opinions have changed over the last 10 years. Quote Mine hasn't... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #64 March 21, 2012 Quote Might be interesting to see if anyone's opinions have changed over the last 10 years. Quote Mine hasn't... Neither have your socks.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #65 March 21, 2012 Quote Quote Might be interesting to see if anyone's opinions have changed over the last 10 years. Quote Mine hasn't... Neither have your socks. Or your hair style."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ineed2fly 0 #66 March 21, 2012 They're expensive and I can use the money to buy the better part of a base rig "As soon as you're born you start dying. So you might as well, have a good time." -CAKE I'm crazy not stupid. There is a difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
heavydude 0 #67 March 22, 2012 Them new fangled things will get cha killed, stick to a nice paracommander round. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpsalot-2 3 #68 March 22, 2012 Quote They're expensive and I can use the money to buy the better part of a base rig Quote Gotta ask...Which is the better part of a BASE rig ? If you just get the container, you won't be jumping off more than a 5 ft. exit point...If you just buy the canopy....well, I guess you could just hold on to the connector links, and try to kite it.....while standing on the ground. I'd say they are both the better part....when used and attached together.........Don't forget to bring your pilot chute and bridle along.... Life is short ... jump often. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreefdiver 0 #69 March 22, 2012 I have one rig with and one w/o the one w/o is my "spare".. I'd like to get one, but $ is the biggest obstacle right now. hard to justify the greater cost for a low time use rig.. yeah, I know, my life is worth it..DS#727, DB Cooper #41, POPS #11065, SCR #13183, FA #2125, SCS #8306, HALO #309 SRA #5930 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
