piisfish 140 #1 October 6, 2005 www.para-net.org/paramag/archives/directlive/direct221/qt.html happened last year, jumper was hanging by the reserve risers text in French on the website.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rickz 0 #2 October 6, 2005 Woooooooohoooooooooooooo!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #3 October 6, 2005 In one part of the video you can see him pull out his hookknife - then immediately drop it. That's what would happen to me if I ever tried to use mine, I suspect. Either that or I'd cut my nose off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #4 October 6, 2005 Any word as to what kind of damage it did to his rig? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #6 October 6, 2005 It won't play for me! My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #7 October 6, 2005 QuoteIn one part of the video you can see him pull out his hookknife - then immediately drop it. That's what would happen to me if I ever tried to use mine, I suspect. Either that or I'd cut my nose off. not his hooknife, but his cutaway... he thought it was his main risers... according to the text and discussions (on wuza, topic called impressionnant) one riser was cut around 1third...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #8 October 6, 2005 QuoteAny word as to what kind of damage it did to his rig?french text here www.para-net.org/paramag/archives/directlive/direct221/direct.html and here www.wuza.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11825&start=0scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deuce 1 #9 October 6, 2005 Any discussion about what altitude he deployed at, and whether it was his main or reserve? Really Excellent Video. A reminder that there is always something new out there to contend with. As a camera flier, I'm always standing on that little tab, and it did not occur to me that my gear could hang up on it, or how I'd unhang if it happened. Pretty head's up action on the part of the skydiver that helped lift him clear. Any speculation as to what might have happened had he prematurely deployed with a riser hooked up? I'd like to think the step would easily tear free, or the canopy would fail, but I'm afraid the riser material is tougher than that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #10 October 6, 2005 QuoteIn one part of the video you can see him pull out his hookknife - then immediately drop it. That's what would happen to me if I ever tried to use mine, I suspect. Either that or I'd cut my nose off. There's a running joke in the CRW community that when ya need it, pull out your first hook knife and throw it away since you're just gonna drop it anyway. :-) Then pull out your second hook knife and get to work! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #11 October 6, 2005 QuoteAny discussion about what altitude he deployed at, and whether it was his main or reserve?. It was his reserve risers... One of teh risers was also quite badly cut by the hook and movement on it. He deployed the reserve shortly after exit, I guess he first wanted to be stable after such an exit, and also knowing what you see him pulling and throwing is his cutaway handle. He was open at 3000m (9k ft around...)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #12 October 6, 2005 Based on the links Piisfish posted: The jumper was stuck on one of the hooks that secure the locking of the skyvan's door. He cut away, hoping that it was his main's riser that was stuck. It wasn't. When he finally broke free, he deployed his reserve (since he had cut away, his main was now useless) above 9,000ft. Everything went fine. Upon landing, he realized that the hook had cut through about half the width of his reserve riser... Scary! "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pjc 0 #13 October 6, 2005 That's one deep spot! Don't suppose he got back to the dz even with being under canopy at 9,000' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #14 October 6, 2005 QuoteThat's one deep spot! Don't suppose he got back to the dz even with being under canopy at 9,000' I think he didn't care the rest got a 2nd run though... scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #15 October 6, 2005 Damn....... Good video Bit of a shame it took his SD brothers a time to offer a 'useful' hand He obviously was going no where without one ......I mean whats the worst that could happen......you get pulled out of the aircraft ??? If he had been struggling for much longer maybe that riser would have failed completely ... But its also good that one of the other jumpers didnt just grab the static line knife and cut him free.... Makes you think.....what would YOU do in that situation as both the jumper and the guy nearest the door..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #16 October 6, 2005 QuoteIn one part of the video you can see him pull out his hookknife - then immediately drop it. That's what would happen to me if I ever tried to use mine, I suspect. Either that or I'd cut my nose off. Back when I was doing tandems I wore an old miilitary style flight suit and had a Jack The Ripper knife in the leg pocket. I was afraid of dropping it so it was attached to the snap by a lanyard. I never needed it, but was pretty sure it wouldn't be dropped. These days I just have a little knife attached to the rig, and I'm pretty sure I'd drop the thing, or perhaps poke my eye out. There are limits to how many things I'm willing to worry about, and hook knives just aren't on the front page. However, having watched this video, and a similar incident involving a tandem at my home DZ, I'm convinced every airplane should have at least one big knife available at all times. .Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
outlawphx 1 #17 October 6, 2005 QuoteDamn....... Good video Bit of a shame it took his SD brothers a time to offer a 'useful' hand He obviously was going no where without one ......I mean whats the worst that could happen......you get pulled out of the aircraft ??? If he had been struggling for much longer maybe that riser would have failed completely ... But its also good that one of the other jumpers didnt just grab the static line knife and cut him free.... Makes you think.....what would YOU do in that situation as both the jumper and the guy nearest the door..... Well, one guy tried offering his foot first Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #18 October 6, 2005 QuoteMakes you think.....what would YOU do in that situation as both the jumper and the guy nearest the door... I wonder if there was a way to get him back INSIDE the airplane. Probably not... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #19 October 6, 2005 QuoteI'm convinced every airplane should have at least one big knife available at all times. Many years ago I was dropping SL students and one pilot we had used to keep a hatchet under his seat. He would tell everyone that if we ever had a SL student get hung up to just get out of the way because he was going to cut them loose."Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 October 6, 2005 All I get is a purple page...."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #21 October 6, 2005 you will need Apple quicktime to watch the vid... and a supported browser...NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #22 October 6, 2005 If the file doesn't play for you and/or hangs IE then right click on this direct link and use "Save Target As" http://www.para-net.org/paramag/archives/directlive/direct221/images/DL221.mov You'll then be able to play the file using the quicktime player. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #23 October 6, 2005 Thanks to all trying to help!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #24 October 6, 2005 QuoteI wonder if there was a way to get him back INSIDE the airplane. Probably not...If he was a Fish, maybe with a rod and a magic lure I would have jumped out I guess. If someone had cut the riser(s) he most probably would have died. Hard to say it , but he also might have killed 15 people...scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #25 October 6, 2005 Maybe if someone had gotten hold of one hand........and then someone else got hold of another hand he could have been pulled back into the aircraft. This would mean the people ( and there were a few behind) would have to 'hold on' to those putting their arms out to this guy....... Whaddya think ?......could he have been dragged back in?? That said this would require some quick thinking and people being tuned into 'there is a problem.....how can we resolve it'.......straight away....and thats the weakest part of this chain in my opinion. I'm sure the instant reaction is to want to get out..... Its an interesting thread and still keen to hear what EXPERIENCED jumpers would have done in that situation on both sides of the door.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
