virgin-burner 1 #51 December 10, 2011 to answer your question: get a speed, it will pack the smallest! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #52 December 10, 2011 If spending the money on NEW is not going to interfere with jumping as much as you want, then by all means get NEW. If it is ... -sized according to your experience, -provides for some possible downsizing as your experience grows (if you feel the need to downsize later) -fits properly, -is comfortable and -is what you want, there may no need to trade it in later. Besides, even if you did want to trade it in later, being average size means you will have no problems selling it to some other young jumper who can't afford new. Stuff you probably already know: In almost all cases, every size parachute in the range of the rig size will fit into the rig. Generally, you can fit one size up and one size down into the rig and it doesn't really matter what canopy you are putting in there. For example, you buy a rig sized for a 170, you can put 190-150 into it with no problem. Yes, there are a small few exceptions but the canopies you are asking about are not one of them. So, bottom line....as mentioned by others, simply buy the rig that fits the main and reserve that fits your current experience level whether it's new or used as your finances allow. As far as Pulse vs Safire2...I'm of the opinion that either one would be good for you. As far as the Speed vs Optimum, I'd go with the Optimum but that's only because I am not very familiar with the Speed. One more thing... If you are buying new canopies, packing it is going to be a pain in the ass regardless of what size it is. I'd pay a packer for the first 100 jumps or so... One more thing... All the guys giving you shit about the canopy sizing and stuff are only doing so out of concern for your safety. Please do not get angry with them...history has shown that their concerns are valid and to their great credit, they are trying to help you. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 #53 December 10, 2011 Quote Because a jumpticket will get you closer to a downsize, a new rig will not. It's not a race to downsize. There is no law that says you have to. This kind of thinking/advice is not useful in our sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #54 December 10, 2011 QuoteQuote Because a jumpticket will get you closer to a downsize, a new rig will not. It's not a race to downsize. There is no law that says you have to. This kind of thinking/advice is not useful in our sport. True, but if you would have read the posts he made in the past you would see that is the goal. I'm one of those who did my first 200 jumps with a 0.86 wingload. I agree with you to 100% but I bet my life on the reason he wants canopys that pack smal is because he wants to downsize. It's like telling kids the stove is hot, you can keep saying it til your ears bleed, but there is only one way they learn Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #55 December 10, 2011 And I can add the following to. When I did downsize from my 0.86 WL, I did exactly what the OP did. Buy gear that I had to squeeze in every time I packed it. I can replace rubberbands while I sleep now! And having a reserve that was probably way too smal at the time. Luckyly I never needed to use it, and it took me about 150-200 jumps before I feelt ok with that reserve. Smart, No. Would I do it again, No way! But I learnd my lesson. And in the previous thread by Kent, I, and others, tried to help him. But it seems it did not sink in. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kentAllan 0 #56 December 10, 2011 I've been told "Listen to your instructors". Thats just what i'm actually doing here. But in my case you guys seem to think your oppinions is the best? This is not a question of wingloading. Its a question of canopies. I havent bought either The container or the Canypies yet. I'm Really glad for all your feedback and I have used alot of the opinions you guys have given me while talking to my instructor and the manufacturer. I really appreciate it, even though people seem to think I don't. I'm not buying a rig to downsize fast, and I'm not buying it to get it as small as possible. I actually just want to get a rig wich would do the job for me in the next couple of years. And hell, if i can downsize two sizes with my first custom rig, GREAT! If not, no problem. I get a new one in a couple of years. Bottom line. I just wanted to know if the safire2 179 would pack bigger than a pulse 190. Regarding the reserve I just asked because The the setup the manufacturer suggested was with a optimum. I think it was a bit expensive so I just wanted to know if I could use a speed instead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 #57 December 10, 2011 Quote Bottom line. I just wanted to know if the safire2 179 would pack bigger than a pulse 190. Regarding the reserve I just asked because The the setup the manufacturer suggested was with a optimum. I think it was a bit expensive so I just wanted to know if I could use a speed instead. I think you need to do some thinking about your priorities here. On the one hand you are saying things like money is no object, I want to buy new and I want a custom sized Safire2 for another $50. But then you are resisting spending the extra for an Optimum. IMO the last place you should be cutting corners is your last chance to survive. You should be asking - what is the best reserve I can get for me, regardless of cost or pack volume. I am not saying that the Optimum is the best, but if it IS then it should be worth the money to you. I have an Optimum 143 and I am never going to downsize it so it's going to last me years and years. Additionally, why are you not looking at a Safire2 189 to compare with the Pulse 190? This was asked before but I did not see an answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kentAllan 0 #58 December 10, 2011 The suggestion for the setup was with a Pulse because it packs smaller and a pulse 190 fits well in the infinity 170 caontainer. This came straight from the manufacturer. Because I know the pulse is a hybrid with low packing volume I asked if a safire2 179 would pack bigger or about the same size so that it could be an option vs the pulse wich was suggested. This is because my instructors said a safire2 would be a better canopy for me. As for the reserves; if the optimum is the way I have to go, i will take it,no problems. but as everyone else i don't just throw around my money. If a speed would have about the same packing volume as an optimum i would prefer that because of a lower price. I've read just positive things about both the speed and the optimum so I believe both are very good and safe reserves. edit: DaVinciflies: I'm looking at the safire 179 vs the pulse 190 because I guess its obvious that the safire 190 will pack bigger than the pulse 190. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #59 December 10, 2011 QuoteThanx, but thats way to old for what I'm looking for. If I have that for a few years I will never get it sold again. ......................................................................... Am I missing something? Does Norway impose a "calendar" life on skydiving equipment? Otherwise, skydiving gear has a shelf-life of about 20 years. After 20 years, that design will have been replaced by something that flies better. Fashions change slowly for weekend jumpers. Any gear built during the last 10 years will be Cypres-ready, RSL, free-fly-friendly, hip rings, BOC, Velcro-less main toggles, collapsible slider, dive loops, etc. ... and should be easy to re-sell to an up and coming young skydiver. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kentAllan 0 #60 December 10, 2011 You migt be rigt in this, but I dan't want to take a chance on that one. This is what i've been told: If you can afford new or newer gear in the beginning and at the same time do 150 jumps a year, GREAT, go for it. If you have a limited budget, get something used and enjoy the jumping until you can afford something that's newer and fits you better. You should not get the cheapest and oldest gear around, because you might have a hard time selling it in the end. I'll go for the first one. Sorry if i offend anyone with not buying used gear for my first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voilsb 1 #61 December 11, 2011 Okay, how about this idea: Call VSE, and ask them this question: What size container should I buy for a Safire2 189 and an Optimum 193? Then, buy that container. And that main. And either the OP193, or a Speed 210. Doesn't matter, both will be appropriately sized for you. You can eventually fit a 170 into it, and a 150, and maybe even a 135. And you'll never have a reserve that's too small for the next 500 jumps or more.Brian Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kentAllan 0 #62 December 11, 2011 Cheers. Edit: so you don't think a optimum 160 would save my life if I had to use it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #63 December 11, 2011 QuoteCheers. Edit: so you don't think a optimum 160 would save my life if I had to use it? OK...you're shopping. I have nothing to sell.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kentAllan 0 #64 December 11, 2011 I'm just curious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kentAllan 0 #65 December 11, 2011 QuoteI'm just curious. Whatever.. I sort of got my answers here so ill let the other guyst figure it out. thanx for all the suggestisons :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spootch 0 #66 December 11, 2011 I aint sayin it. If dudes got the money who gives a shit if he buys new? Who cares how long he jumps it ? Used gear has to come from somewhere, and it sure isn't the factory! Now the real question........What colors ya gettin? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kentAllan 0 #67 December 11, 2011 All Pink offcourse Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kentAllan 0 #69 December 11, 2011 QuoteOkay, how about this idea: Call VSE, and ask them this question: What size container should I buy for a Safire2 189 and an Optimum 193? Then, buy that container. And that main. And either the OP193, or a Speed 210. Doesn't matter, both will be appropriately sized for you. You can eventually fit a 170 into it, and a 150, and maybe even a 135. And you'll never have a reserve that's too small for the next 500 jumps or more. Thats actual what I intend to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #70 December 11, 2011 QuoteCheers. Edit: so you don't think a optimum 160 would save my life if I had to use it? It'll probably save your life but broken bones and other serious injuries will be more likely than under a larger reserve when you're making your first landing under it off the airport, around obstacles, perhaps on a hard surface like concrete, and perhaps following a low turn to avoid obstacles like power lines or fences you didn't notice sooner. If you wouldn't jump a 160 every day when everything is going right you don't want one when things have started to go wrong and are getting worse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
