rwieder 0 #26 October 3, 2011 Those types of flight are generall looked down upon. Too many good people have been injured, crippled & malled, even killed. By the way, why did you cut your main away? You barely had enough altitude to recover with your reserve. NEVER cut away a good canopy. You could just as easily had your driver slow down and land the main canopy normally, a dissconnect from your umbilicle to the source of towing would also allow you to fly & land the canopy. I wish you the best. But I part you with a few words from an old man. Don't do this foolish crap, that is unless you think you're immortal. Be safe & don't do any silly crap and you'll live through it, if not....Hmph.....-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rover 11 #27 October 3, 2011 I suspect the concept was to chop it right from the outset. Good footage too. It's all fun till someone gets hurt - then it's fucken hilarious. 2 wrongs don't make a right - but 3 lefts do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #28 October 3, 2011 QuoteI suspect the concept was to chop it right from the outset. Yeah, that was the feeling I had. I just threw that out there so they can smoke it over and think about another stradegy to land the thing after all the foolishment has taken place. I doubt seriously this is the last time they'll do it. If they keep it up, we'll be reading about it in the Incidents Forum.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 501 #29 October 3, 2011 Quote Quote There is no "real & safe" way of tow launching a sport parachute. But if you go through with this try to top these guys for stupidity factor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrBcyQD3BE To be honest, tow launching the canopy in the first place is still the most dangerous and unpredictable part of that whole exercise, and by having a reliable cutaway set up for the cable they've actually put themselves ahead of a lot of other people who try it. He cuts away the actual parachute as well though. It changes from pink to blueExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vanair 0 #30 October 3, 2011 1978. 100% injury rate to all of us that tried it. We USMC jump club members Jacksonville NC tried it several times. One time near the local DZ. All set, go, Ron went up with a Strato Cloud hooked to rear of car with about a 100' rope, started turning, no corrections, car slowed to a stop, he went up and over power lines next to road. He was OK, when we asked why he didn't correct the canopy he said he couldn't reach the toggles. We were like what are you talking about? Turns out he didn't do up his leg straps. We couldn't believe it, asking WTF. He said he thought he would just hang by his armpits. And this was a guy that had about 50 jumps. We more experienced jumpers never dreamed we would actually have to tell him do hook up his leg straps. Other people had broken ankles. Me 225lbs. in no wind couldn't run fast enough for lift off, fell and had the wind knocked out of me. One time I'm towing my buddy Dan behind my Vega, just the 2 of us. We come to power lines crossing the road, he's screaming at me to stop. I just slow down a little so that he's skimming the ground and we go right under them. Boy was he pissed, no tow rope release. Fast forward to about 10 years ago at the Ranch NY. I'm watching, a young jumper, West Point cadet is being towed, canopy turns and locks out, you know how a kite can turn and dive to the ground. That's what his did, no correction, I guess it happened too fast. At the last second he released but not soon enough for his canopy to even begin to plane out. Went in about 50' right in front of me and my wife. I thought he was dead, he hit so hard. He did live and eventually recovered. But I think it ended his military career, and all Parasailing at the Ranch. Dangerous stuff. Do it behind a boat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #31 October 3, 2011 QuoteNothing wrong with doing it -- as long as you do it right. The technique was even used for accuracy training a little bit in the 80s, such as in the UK, but never caught on. Para-ascending was then done with the earliest paragliders, which were basically the same as skydiving canopies of the time (mid 80s) as that's what they developed from. You don't need an efficient wing, after all, they tow parasails (aerodynamically like the ParaCommander rounds of the 60s) - ....................................................................... That is the key point! You should only try to tow LeMoigne-type canopies: Para-Commander, Papillon, Starlite, Sparrow, Lancer, etc. Purpose-built para-sailing canopies might look like Para-Commanders, but they have fewer drive windows, UV-resistant materials, etc. I have been asked to patch a few para-sails - that were towed into trees - but told the owners that it would be less expensive to buy new canopies. Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #32 October 3, 2011 I disagree! The term "BASE" implies FIXED objects, whereas jumps from balloons, ultralights, gyro-copters, towed para-sails, low-flying helicopters, etc. are from MOVING flying machines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zlew 0 #33 October 3, 2011 A friend of mine used to park his truck in a field in west texas on windy days, and was able to get some serious altitude with a long climbing rope. The risk of doing this, or with a tow, is getting basically into a downplane. If your canopy turns off heading to the point of no return, you are pretty much fucked and in a 1 man downplane. I saw some footage of someone getting smashed into the water doing this on an old para commander. My buddy had a great 3 ring style relase setup (as i remember) to let him cut away quickly from the tow rope... but I think if you ended up in a downplane under 100 feet or so...you are going to break if you cutaway or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Liemberg 0 #34 October 3, 2011 Then it seems imperative to follow the towing line vigerously - as in steering the canopy. Towing against a steady wind seems feasible and would make ascending possible. At least you wont have to combine running with canopy control. I used to experiment with Manta's together with students when it was to windy to jump. Just had them hooked to the ground with two lines @ 60 degree angles. Pulling the toggles would lift you of the ground and + two meters scared the beehives out of you - luckily, releasing the toggles brought you back down. Well, that way we only got bruised a bit, not broken. Funny thing was, a group of visiting jumpers thought it a good idea to try it with a 'serious' rope - + 15 meters. And the '2 ropes at an angle' trick was also a no-no for the more serious adventurers. First guy that tried it broke his femur. And he had well over sixty jumps on his Strato cloud. Ground didn't seem to care about his experience... Soooo - proceed at your own peril - YMMV... "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #35 October 3, 2011 I think a review of the what "ifs" are in order http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=USAF+parasailing&aq=f http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Av5XLBzKA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD86ED1C6792A6E73 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwqtdp_5RXI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcYQm9ypXjY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlc2TqI0na0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io6L1jgjeq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEkd9SitrDA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,500 #36 October 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote There is no "real & safe" way of tow launching a sport parachute. But if you go through with this try to top these guys for stupidity factor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrBcyQD3BE To be honest, tow launching the canopy in the first place is still the most dangerous and unpredictable part of that whole exercise, and by having a reliable cutaway set up for the cable they've actually put themselves ahead of a lot of other people who try it. He cuts away the actual parachute as well though. It changes from pink to blue Yes. Yes it does. And?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nigel99 501 #37 October 4, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote There is no "real & safe" way of tow launching a sport parachute. But if you go through with this try to top these guys for stupidity factor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrBcyQD3BE To be honest, tow launching the canopy in the first place is still the most dangerous and unpredictable part of that whole exercise, and by having a reliable cutaway set up for the cable they've actually put themselves ahead of a lot of other people who try it. He cuts away the actual parachute as well though. It changes from pink to blue Yes. Yes it does. And? It wasn't clear that you had noticed that. I was under the impression you had only seen the tow cable cutaway.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,500 #38 October 4, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote There is no "real & safe" way of tow launching a sport parachute. But if you go through with this try to top these guys for stupidity factor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrBcyQD3BE To be honest, tow launching the canopy in the first place is still the most dangerous and unpredictable part of that whole exercise, and by having a reliable cutaway set up for the cable they've actually put themselves ahead of a lot of other people who try it. He cuts away the actual parachute as well though. It changes from pink to blue Yes. Yes it does. And? It wasn't clear that you had noticed that. Isn't it? So when I said the tow launch was the most dangerous part of the whole exercise, what other part of the exercise did you think I was referring to - simply flying and landing a 245? That'd be kind of a no brainer, don't you think?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites holie 0 #39 October 5, 2011 http://youtu.be/QU-wN00Wqo0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites artard 0 #40 October 5, 2011 Quote http://youtu.be/QU-wN00Wqo0 Whenever I see a video like that I have to assume the people involved have no fucking concept of just how dangerous what they are doing is. Like this one specifically, do they even get how sketchy it is that the canopy went ahead of the tow line? Or the fact that they don't appear to have a cutaway system?http://www.mixcloud.com/prajna http://vimeo.com/avidya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #41 October 6, 2011 Quote http://youtu.be/QU-wN00Wqo0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites baseitr6 0 #42 October 7, 2011 I was the one flying the canopy. I invented that shit. I did that in front of my house on a boring windy day in January (I think it was January) because there was nothing else to do. It worked...because I'm bad ass. Also, it's not dangerous, you just have to not be a pussy. Also, to retort on not having a cutaway system...I did have a cutaway...it's the sledge hammer you hear my friend use to bang the pin out of the trailer hitch that had to rope tied to it. He was pre-staged in the back of the bed of the truck. I had all systems covered meticulously. If anybody would like to learn how to be bad ass like me, I'm accepting applications to the 'Kevin Pelletier school of bad assery' -Space is limited so call now. I will also be offering a follow on course in 'how to bang your best friends mom starting early next spring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites baseitr6 0 #43 October 7, 2011 CUTTING AWAY THE MAIN WAS THE ENTIRE POINT!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH SKYDIVERS!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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riggerrob 643 #32 October 3, 2011 I disagree! The term "BASE" implies FIXED objects, whereas jumps from balloons, ultralights, gyro-copters, towed para-sails, low-flying helicopters, etc. are from MOVING flying machines. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zlew 0 #33 October 3, 2011 A friend of mine used to park his truck in a field in west texas on windy days, and was able to get some serious altitude with a long climbing rope. The risk of doing this, or with a tow, is getting basically into a downplane. If your canopy turns off heading to the point of no return, you are pretty much fucked and in a 1 man downplane. I saw some footage of someone getting smashed into the water doing this on an old para commander. My buddy had a great 3 ring style relase setup (as i remember) to let him cut away quickly from the tow rope... but I think if you ended up in a downplane under 100 feet or so...you are going to break if you cutaway or not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #34 October 3, 2011 Then it seems imperative to follow the towing line vigerously - as in steering the canopy. Towing against a steady wind seems feasible and would make ascending possible. At least you wont have to combine running with canopy control. I used to experiment with Manta's together with students when it was to windy to jump. Just had them hooked to the ground with two lines @ 60 degree angles. Pulling the toggles would lift you of the ground and + two meters scared the beehives out of you - luckily, releasing the toggles brought you back down. Well, that way we only got bruised a bit, not broken. Funny thing was, a group of visiting jumpers thought it a good idea to try it with a 'serious' rope - + 15 meters. And the '2 ropes at an angle' trick was also a no-no for the more serious adventurers. First guy that tried it broke his femur. And he had well over sixty jumps on his Strato cloud. Ground didn't seem to care about his experience... Soooo - proceed at your own peril - YMMV... "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 October 3, 2011 I think a review of the what "ifs" are in order http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=USAF+parasailing&aq=f http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7Av5XLBzKA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLD86ED1C6792A6E73 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwqtdp_5RXI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcYQm9ypXjY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlc2TqI0na0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io6L1jgjeq8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEkd9SitrDA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #36 October 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote There is no "real & safe" way of tow launching a sport parachute. But if you go through with this try to top these guys for stupidity factor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrBcyQD3BE To be honest, tow launching the canopy in the first place is still the most dangerous and unpredictable part of that whole exercise, and by having a reliable cutaway set up for the cable they've actually put themselves ahead of a lot of other people who try it. He cuts away the actual parachute as well though. It changes from pink to blue Yes. Yes it does. And?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 501 #37 October 4, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote There is no "real & safe" way of tow launching a sport parachute. But if you go through with this try to top these guys for stupidity factor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrBcyQD3BE To be honest, tow launching the canopy in the first place is still the most dangerous and unpredictable part of that whole exercise, and by having a reliable cutaway set up for the cable they've actually put themselves ahead of a lot of other people who try it. He cuts away the actual parachute as well though. It changes from pink to blue Yes. Yes it does. And? It wasn't clear that you had noticed that. I was under the impression you had only seen the tow cable cutaway.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #38 October 4, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote There is no "real & safe" way of tow launching a sport parachute. But if you go through with this try to top these guys for stupidity factor: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrBcyQD3BE To be honest, tow launching the canopy in the first place is still the most dangerous and unpredictable part of that whole exercise, and by having a reliable cutaway set up for the cable they've actually put themselves ahead of a lot of other people who try it. He cuts away the actual parachute as well though. It changes from pink to blue Yes. Yes it does. And? It wasn't clear that you had noticed that. Isn't it? So when I said the tow launch was the most dangerous part of the whole exercise, what other part of the exercise did you think I was referring to - simply flying and landing a 245? That'd be kind of a no brainer, don't you think?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
holie 0 #39 October 5, 2011 http://youtu.be/QU-wN00Wqo0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artard 0 #40 October 5, 2011 Quote http://youtu.be/QU-wN00Wqo0 Whenever I see a video like that I have to assume the people involved have no fucking concept of just how dangerous what they are doing is. Like this one specifically, do they even get how sketchy it is that the canopy went ahead of the tow line? Or the fact that they don't appear to have a cutaway system?http://www.mixcloud.com/prajna http://vimeo.com/avidya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #41 October 6, 2011 Quote http://youtu.be/QU-wN00Wqo0 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baseitr6 0 #42 October 7, 2011 I was the one flying the canopy. I invented that shit. I did that in front of my house on a boring windy day in January (I think it was January) because there was nothing else to do. It worked...because I'm bad ass. Also, it's not dangerous, you just have to not be a pussy. Also, to retort on not having a cutaway system...I did have a cutaway...it's the sledge hammer you hear my friend use to bang the pin out of the trailer hitch that had to rope tied to it. He was pre-staged in the back of the bed of the truck. I had all systems covered meticulously. If anybody would like to learn how to be bad ass like me, I'm accepting applications to the 'Kevin Pelletier school of bad assery' -Space is limited so call now. I will also be offering a follow on course in 'how to bang your best friends mom starting early next spring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baseitr6 0 #43 October 7, 2011 CUTTING AWAY THE MAIN WAS THE ENTIRE POINT!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHH SKYDIVERS!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
