Smoke ?

[bowlan 0]

thanks.
yes we have already had our product tested and re-classified by the exoplosive lab and is now classed at UN 0197 1.4g.

[PhreeZone 20]

What are you looking at as the ingition method and sizing? Also what is your intended price per unit? If it comes in at a cheaper option at the same size containers as the existing cold burning smoke then you will probally have a product that many demo jumpers would be interested in buying. I know I would be picking up a dozen to have for different things.

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[bowlan 0]

the ignition design would be that simular to the M18 only in a legal version or simular to the ignition used in floating orange smoke signal cans.
the price would be lower than the black market M18 simply because there is no compotition on our flame-less smoke ignition formulas.
even though i have no idea what the curent use smoke price is there is no dought we could do a lot better.

[voodew1 0]

Current prices for smoke bought by the case of 24 is

60 second smoke is $14 per can

3 to 4 minute smoke $27 per can

this is purchased direct from the factory and includes Fed Ex hazmat charge

and is white smoke only

I tend to use a large quanity of canisters and helped design a fiberglass foot mounted smoke bracket that seems to be in very high demand but the manufacturing of such device has been very slow.

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[bowlan 0]

thanks for the valuable info.
based on what you are now paying for 60 seconds of smoke we could sell ours for edited by slotperfect.

[popsjumper 2]

It looks to me as though you may be on to something here.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[TFFTM 1]

Put me down for a case or 2

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[Buried 0]

colored 60 sec tends to be a slight amount more $ and are from another manufracture. I haven't found a good cheaper src that would sell to civilians, so i'd also be interested what you put out.

Where is my fizzy-lifting drink?

[bowlan 0]

our standard 50mm.catridges produce 35,000cfm.
60-second burn.
Edited by slotperfect..
and our smoke products are completely flame-less.
the size depends on what the costomer needs.
the 60 second version are basicly designed for paintball.
if you need 15 min,of smoke we can do that to.
we dont use chambers or spark arresters simply because we dont have to.
we are working on a new version for skydiving right now.
these will be waterproof and come in several colors with pull cord ignition.
we have selected a dealer for all of our producte we are developing for skydiving.
Added by slotperfect: please contact the author via PM for dealer information

[popsjumper 2]

Airtwardo...you're gonna be stalked by "smokers".

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[bowlan 0]

all commercail fireworks smoke devices are basicly imported from china.
they do burn cool but their standard in manufacturing their smoke compositions are lower than the u.s.standards.
they are prone to explode.
they do emit sparks and flame on first ignition do to the pyrogen ignition comp.
the cause for the china smoke fountains exploding is not the chemical make-up.it is simply air pockets that accure during transport.
they have started pressing the compositions with more pressure per squar inch to over come this problem but their biggest problem is the potential fire hazard that comes with the device. as they do suddenly flarup or suddenly shot a 9 inch flame.
the basic chemical make up in china smoke is as follows;
Smoke Dye 36%Potassium Chlorate 32%Sugar 20%Magnesium Carbonate 9%Sodium Bicarbonate 3%

[phoenixlpr 0]

I have found this

[bowlan 0]

orion sells floating smoke cans simular to the orange comet cans wholesale for $20.00 each.
they are making a killing.
$45.00 each retail.

[phoenixlpr 0]

There is a specialized smoke for parachutist too.

[bowlan 0]

yes but at what cost,the point of it all is to develop a safe smoke product for skydiving that has a price that you guys wont need a bank lone to buy.

[airtwardo 7]

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yes but at what cost,the point of it all is to develop a safe smoke product for skydiving that has a price that you guys wont need a bank lone to buy.

....Which is what Mr. Bowlan's company is attempting to do.

He and I have been conversing at GREAT length regarding a skydiver smoke product that will fill the three criteria we skydivers look for.
It will be Safe, have a lot of smoke output volume, and be inexpensive.


I have jumped virtually every kind of 'skydiver smoke' available and most of them only fill TWO of the above criteria listed.

Scott's company is designing and manufacturing a type of product that should make 'jumping smoke' a safer and more readily available addition to just about anyone for ANY kind of skydive!

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[bowlan 0]

thank you for jumping in and explaining what our intentions are.
sincerely,
scott bowlan

[Buried 0]

well if you are talking closely with airtwardo to help develop a product, i'm sure you will be kept on track.
one thing that would be nice would the the consistency of size of the cylinder for the smoke. of course it isn't necessary, but would be nice

Where is my fizzy-lifting drink?

[bowlan 0]

canister size is the first thing on the list.
everything else will fall into place.

[jimmytavino 16]

..... At Ease Men....
"Smoke 'Em if Ya' got 'Em"
smoke grenades for demos, are SERIOUS business, especially if one gets ignited prematurely, and in a Cessna....,,,,, and also have serious consequences regarding 'how to handle', upon landing....
who KNEW a smoke cannister would burn Astro-turf????
( that's ANOTHER story, for another time kids )

jimmy

[bowlan 0]

smoke composition dont react in a chemical reaction.
the prod is produced from heating the dye particals.
heat causes the dye particals to breat down into micro particals.
the emitting smoke carries the dye particals into the air.

[bowlan 0]

the m-80s that were around when we were kids used potassium perchlorate and germen dark aluminum powder in a very fine grade.
sinse the good old days they have decided to use patasium chlorate as the oxidiser.
potasium chlotate is a lot more stable and limits the chance of it exploding when blending.
some even use a lower grade of aluminum powder to stabelize the compositions even further.
the easest way you can tell if the good stuff was used at the 4th in those mrters is the sound.
the better that grade of the chemicals the deeper the boom.

[bowlan 0]

class-c fireworks require a permit to manufacture and buy.
the trick is to bring the product as close to the edge as possable without going over the legal edge.
that is often the difference between a good pyrotechnic product and just the run of the mill product that every body else if selling.
smoke compositions are not considered explosive by ATF and are exempt from that class.
what brings the product to the edge is the composition that is used as the ignition source.
most often that chemical is pyrogen.
even estes igniters require hazmat fees do to the pyrogen that coats each igniter.
when we manufacture electric ignition on our 50mm.smoke cartridges we first dip the ingiters into acitone and remove the pyrogen.
we dont need pyrogen to ignite our compositions as we use our own formula to creat our flameless ignition composition.
our blend of flameless ignition composition does all the work of pyrogen and there is no sparks or flame.
also the formula is a closly guarded trade secreat.
we do ad a blend of binders into this formula simply to render the flameless ignition composition impossable to anelize after if hardens.

[phoenixlpr 0]

I live in Europe. I don't think those smoke canisters can be air-mailed.

[bowlan 0]

that i dont know.
is they could the shipping would be more than it would be worth.
that you would have to research for the correct answer.