Tandem Students wearing the Hand Cam?

[catfishhunter 2]

http://youtu.be/NsizrFV9s2w

Don't think I have ever seen this. The Tandem Passenger is wearing the Hand Cam. Is this normal? I think this might actaully be better then having the TI wear it but i'm not quite sure. What do you all think?

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[Andy9o8 2]

I'm not a TI, but I noted that the TI, instead of using his own arms/hands as independent flight control surfaces, held on to the student's arms and used them as the forward control surfaces (apparently so he could control the camera perspective). I'd be interested in seasoned TIs' opinions on that, too.

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http://youtu.be/NsizrFV9s2w

Don't think I have ever seen this. The Tandem Passenger is wearing the Hand Cam. Is this normal? I think this might actually be better then having the TI wear it but i'm not quite sure. What do you all think?

There is another thread in S&T that has similar topics. My comments are in post #5.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4137757

[masterrigger1 2]

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What do you all think?

I do not see a problem with the student wearing the camera.


I do however did note the the student in the video was not wearing a altimeter or helmet.

For the people that do not know, the altimeter is required by both the FAA and USPA.

The helmet is only required by USPA.

Also of note, the pilot was operating a handheld camera (turned around to the back) instead of actually flying the plane when that should be his main focus.

Anyone that actually has been in a stalled 206 (I have) would really appreciate the pilot actually focusing on flying at this point in the jump run.


MEL

Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC
www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com

[Southern_Man 0]

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For the people that do not know, the altimeter is required by both the FAA and USPA.

MEL

The altimeter for students requirement was changed (eliminated) by USPA at its summer board meeting. I don't know enough about the tandem FARs to know if it is a requirement in there or not.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[Andrewwhyte 1]

We have discussed this. The real problem I see is the students saying, "That's Ok. I brought my own." How can you tell them it is OK to wear your camera for a fee, but to wear theirs and keep the money is not safe?

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We have discussed this. The real problem I see is the students saying, "That's Ok. I brought my own." How can you tell them it is OK to wear your camera for a fee, but to wear theirs and keep the money is not safe?

Assuming we are talking about a camera on their hand, I don't think it will be a problem (for a while) because the student is very unlikely to have a suitable/safe mount for their camera.

... That is, until some camera company starts selling a good one as an option.

Also, you could tell the student that they are probably going to be so distracted by the jump that it is going to be difficult for them to get good video without instructor help.

DZs that offer hand cam video might need to come up with a 2-tiered pricing system. Yuck...

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What do you all think?

I do not see a problem with the student wearing the camera.


I do however did note the the student in the video was not wearing a altimeter or helmet.

For the people that do not know, the altimeter is required by both the FAA and USPA.Not for Tandem Students by either USPA or the FAA.

The helmet is only required by USPA.For all students EXCEPT Tandem Students per USPA

Also of note, the pilot was operating a handheld camera (turned around to the back) instead of actually flying the plane when that should be his main focus.

Anyone that actually has been in a stalled 206 (I have) would really appreciate the pilot actually focusing on flying at this point in the jump run.


MEL

Matt

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[masterrigger1 2]

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Not for Tandem Students by either USPA or the FAA.

Well it used to be until this last Summer Meeting.

Yes, I am guilty of not looking up the current
BSR's and never noticed that it was removed from the FAR's either.

The FAR's still state that the student is to be given instruction and access to the deployment device.

I guess with the latest and greatest from USPA that we simply instruct them to pull before impact instead of a specific altidude........

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For all students EXCEPT Tandem Students per USPA

Yep...missed that one too!
USPA seems to be be going after more convenience than safety lately!

I still use both of them when I do tandems though.

Is this your home DZ?

MEL

Skyworks Parachute Service, LLC
www.Skyworksparachuteservice.com

[matthewcline 0]

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Not for Tandem Students by either USPA or the FAA.

Well it used to be until this last Summer Meeting.

Yes, I am guilty of not looking up the current
BSR's and never noticed that it was removed from the FAR's either.

The FAR's still state that the student is to be given instruction and access to the deployment device.

I guess with the latest and greatest from USPA that we simply instruct them to pull before impact instead of a specific altidude........

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For all students EXCEPT Tandem Students per USPA

Yep...missed that one too!
USPA seems to be be going after more convenience than safety lately!

I still use both of them when I do tandems though.

Is this your home DZ?

MEL

MEL are you asking me if E-Town in my Home DZ?
No, it is nearby but I have never jumped there.
I think the Hand cam on the student COULD be safer and better than on the T-I. At least then the T-I would handle EP's with two hands.

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

[birddog 0]

From memory, Australian Parachute Federation rules state that to carry a camera on a parachute decent you must hold at least a cert C (100 jumps) Yes this includes tandem passengers ..

Deal with it