lucianaofly 0 #1 July 25, 2011 do you know a DZ who have his own ambulance whith intensive care and medics and paramedics full time?lucianao Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #2 July 25, 2011 No. Sometimes for special events one would be on hand, but not full time. There are some DZs who have medical personal that are regular jumpers, so they act as a rapid response team for major injuries. Some of those DZs have been known to have a medic bag with typical EMS supplies and a backboard. Those kinds of setups are fairly rare, though.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,070 #4 July 25, 2011 We have occasionally done TV/movie shoots where a full-time ambulance crew was hired to be there for any jumping activity. But I don't know of any "normal" DZ's that have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #5 July 25, 2011 Quotedo you know a DZ who have his own ambulance whith intensive care and medics and paramedics full time? You planning on downsizing?Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #6 July 26, 2011 Taft has one but use it haul jumper back from the target. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #7 July 26, 2011 Skys the Limit has a Medevac helicopter on the airport but its just a coincidence, nothing to do with the dropzone.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #8 July 26, 2011 So does Skydive PA. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #9 July 26, 2011 Our dropzone has a Hearse..... As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nutz 0 #10 July 26, 2011 Quote Our dropzone has a Hearse..... Where is the "Like" button? "Don't! Get! Eliminated!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
topdocker 0 #11 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Our dropzone has a Hearse..... Where is the "Like" button? Is it parked by the swoop pond? topJump more, post less! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dzjunky77 0 #12 July 26, 2011 My home DZ has a medic vac heli right by the hanger and the medics and pilots even hang with us to have a beer after work! but theres always medics on duty 24-7 there and heli ready to go! They even landed out in our landing area after a friend of mine did a low hook turn and broke his femur They were on there way back from dropping a patient! Some cool guys and a gal! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missbrz 0 #13 July 26, 2011 Quote My home DZ has a medic vac heli right by the hanger and the medics and pilots even hang with us to have a beer after work! but theres always medics on duty 24-7 there and heli ready to go! They even landed out in our landing area after a friend of mine did a low hook turn and broke his femur They were on there way back from dropping a patient! Some cool guys and a gal! are they actually there for your DZ or do they just happen to be there b/c that's where they are stationed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dzjunky77 0 #14 July 26, 2011 Thats where there stationed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sacex250 0 #15 July 26, 2011 Quotedo you know a DZ who have his own ambulance whith intensive care and medics and paramedics full time? What DZO or airport manager is going to be stupid enough to give a bunch of skydivers full-time access to a van with bright-flashing strobe lights and a siren that "WAILs" and "YELPs" so that they can go joyriding up and down the runway between lifts? Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen!It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #16 July 26, 2011 QuoteQuotedo you know a DZ who have his own ambulance whith intensive care and medics and paramedics full time? What DZO or airport manager is going to be stupid enough to give a bunch of skydivers full-time access to a van with bright-flashing strobe lights and a siren that "WAILs" and "YELPs" so that they can go joyriding up and down the runway between lifts? Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen! Who said they would have the keys? Pretty simple: You don't touch the wambulance, it could be the thing that keeps you alive when you would otherwise die."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sacex250 0 #17 July 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotedo you know a DZ who have his own ambulance whith intensive care and medics and paramedics full time? What DZO or airport manager is going to be stupid enough to give a bunch of skydivers full-time access to a van with bright-flashing strobe lights and a siren that "WAILs" and "YELPs" so that they can go joyriding up and down the runway between lifts? Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen! Who said they would have the keys? Pretty simple: You don't touch the wambulance, it could be the thing that keeps you alive when you would otherwise die. Right! That's like telling skydivers not to drink beer!It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #18 July 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotedo you know a DZ who have his own ambulance whith intensive care and medics and paramedics full time? What DZO or airport manager is going to be stupid enough to give a bunch of skydivers full-time access to a van with bright-flashing strobe lights and a siren that "WAILs" and "YELPs" so that they can go joyriding up and down the runway between lifts? Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen! Who said they would have the keys? Pretty simple: You don't touch the wambulance, it could be the thing that keeps you alive when you would otherwise die. Right! That's like telling skydivers not to drink beer! No, thats like telling skydivers to not fuck with the emergency equipment. Keep the van locked, keys in the DZO, S&TA and manifest pockets, nobody needs to touch it."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #19 July 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Our dropzone has a Hearse..... Where is the "Like" button? Is it parked by the swoop pond? top sorta...its parked by the pool. jBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #20 July 26, 2011 Hearse in the background: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150319333310676&set=o.125750352994&type=1&theater As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #21 July 27, 2011 Since you have never made a skydive maybe you should go back to your virtual SCUBA site. http://www.ediving.us/home.php Or maybe the wantabe pilot site. http://www.liveatc.net/forums/pilotcontroller-forum/?wap2 Sparky My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sacex250 0 #22 July 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuotedo you know a DZ who have his own ambulance whith intensive care and medics and paramedics full time? What DZO or airport manager is going to be stupid enough to give a bunch of skydivers full-time access to a van with bright-flashing strobe lights and a siren that "WAILs" and "YELPs" so that they can go joyriding up and down the runway between lifts? Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen! Who said they would have the keys? Pretty simple: You don't touch the wambulance, it could be the thing that keeps you alive when you would otherwise die. Right! That's like telling skydivers not to drink beer! No, thats like telling skydivers to not fuck with the emergency equipment. Keep the van locked, keys in the DZO, S&TA and manifest pockets, nobody needs to touch it. Okay, since trying to be lighthearted about this isn't working for you and you need to be the proverbial wet blanket, let's seriously discuss the implications of a DZO having an ambulance, shall we? Since I worked as a full-time EMT for an ambulance company for three years while I was in college and an additional three years after that working in a hospital, I feel I have some experience with the issue of prehospital and emergency room medical treatment. First of all, ambulances, like all emergency service vehicles, have a certain image that causes people to get excited and behave differently. In the ambulance company I worked for, there was an EMT who had to have the soundtrack to the movie Top Gun blasting on the stereo whenever he was responding to a call. Another EMT took his girlfriend out for a joyride in one of the ambulances one night and ended up flipping the ambulance on its side while illegally running "Code 3" through a red light. Another EMT made a stop by his apartment to pick something up, and without thinking tried to park the ambulance in his carport which took out quite a bit of the top of the box. It's easy to keep the unauthorized people from driving the ambulance, it's the authorized people that have to have the self-restraint not to reach up, start flipping switches, and start showing off, which is a lot harder than it sounds. A dropzone is the perfect situation for something like that to start. Second, the DZO would be responsible for ensuring that the ambulance is staffed by two certified EMT-B's at a minimum just to provide Basic Life Support (BLS) services. We'll come back to that in a minute. Not only would the two crew members need to be EMT-B's but they would also have to have Ambulance Driver's Licenses which would require fingerprinting, background checks, and bi-annual medical exams. And the DZO would have to make sure that the ambulance is stocked with all the required medical equipment, oxygen, and is registered with the local EMS agency, usually the county. Not to mention also having to pay the vehicle insurance and medical liability insurance. Third, becoming an EMT-B takes about a year (2 semesters of college) The first semester it to meet the training prerequisites by taking a one semester Advanced First Aid course which is normally a three unit class; followed the next semester by a double class (5-6 units) for EMT training which also has ambulance ride-a-long and emergency room observation requirements. Fourth, since I doubt the DZO is going to pay EMTs to sit around, he's going to have to have trained staff members and/or be at the mercy of certified volunteers who he's responsible for. Fifth, so far this has all been just to provide Basic Life Support service. Here's the problem, patients come in three varieties: Mild, Moderate, and Acute. "Mild" means no suspected threat to life or limb. "Moderate" means suspected threat to life or limb. "Acute" means apparent threat to life or limb. A BLS ambulance is in reality only going to transport a "Mild" status patient, especially a skydiving or plane crash trauma victim. Any "Moderate" or "Acute" status patients are still going to require a 911 call for an Advanced Life Support (ALS) response with Paramedics (EMT-P) or Nurses (MICN). This isn't up to the DZO or the EMTs, this has to do with medical protocols. So, basically, the DZO is spending quite a bit of money on something that they're going to have to pick up a phone for anyway, for free. Sixth, there is no way that any DZO is going to be able to support an ALS ambulance of their own. For example, in California there's a 24-hour service rule for ALS providers, which means that the DZO would have to have an ALS ambulance on-call 24 hours-a-day. It's not going to happen! So what's the most ideal solution? A first responder team of people trained in Advanced First Aid and having basic emergency medical equipment on site. The "Mild" patients can get immediate treatment for sprains, lacerations, contusions, dislocations, and possibly even minor fractures and then be transported to the hospital by private vehicle if necessary. The "Moderate" and "Acute" patients can get CPR/Airway Management, treatment for shock, spinal stabilization, bleeding control, splinting, burn care, and pretty much most other BLS care while ALS is responding. And all at the fraction of the cost of an ambulance for the DZO and, therefore, the paying skydivers.It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sacex250 0 #23 July 27, 2011 Quote Since you have never made a skydive maybe you should go back to your virtual SCUBA site. http://www.ediving.us/home.php Or maybe the wantabe pilot site. http://www.liveatc.net/forums/pilotcontroller-forum/?wap2 Sparky Wow, yet another personal attack! Why don't you grow up? Since you brought it up, the SCUBA site is actually www.divecomputertraining.com. It's a pretty neat site where you can take classes online to learn how to use and try out real dive computers. The classes are recognized by SCUBA organizations like PADI and SSI. Have you never heard of the Spice Girls? It's spelled W-A-N-N-A-B-E! Since I've been a pilot since 1993, I don't consider myself a WANNABE pilot. LiveATC is actually yet another interesting site where you can listen to live aviation radio traffic around the world and/or recordings of incidents or just funny things people say. They even have a forum, imagine that, a website with a forum, bet you've never heard of a website with one of those before, have you?It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #24 July 27, 2011 You have the wantabe asshole covered too Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #25 July 29, 2011 Quote Since I worked as a full-time EMT for an ambulance company for three years while I was in college and an additional three years after that working in a hospital, I feel I have some experience with the issue of prehospital and emergency room medical treatment. Second, the DZO would be responsible for ensuring that the ambulance is staffed by two certified EMT-B's at a minimum just to provide Basic Life Support (BLS) services. We'll come back to that in a minute. Not only would the two crew members need to be EMT-B's but they would also have to have Ambulance Driver's Licenses which would require fingerprinting, background checks, and bi-annual medical exams. And the DZO would have to make sure that the ambulance is stocked with all the required medical equipment, oxygen, and is registered with the local EMS agency, usually the county. Not to mention also having to pay the vehicle insurance and medical liability insurance. When military groups from foreign countries are training at a DZ, they often require fully equipped EMT(s) onsight, and in one instance I'm aware of, an ambulance was also required to be on-site. Unique circumstances to be sure, but to a visiting skydiver, it might look like the EMT's or ambulance were part of the staff. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
