The111 1 #51 September 13, 2005 QuoteOnce again, I did not say "HP = death trap", you did. My original post on my definition of a HP canopy: "One that is above the experience and skill level of the jumper under it." Where did I make reference to "death trap"? I am assuming that to her (and me), a canopy above one's experience is a death trap (or to put it more lightly, an accident waiting to happen). Do you disagree with this? If A=B and B=C, then A=C. HP canopy = beyond one's skillset. (your statement) Jumping a canopy beyond one's skillset = a bad idea (my statement, but I would be surprised if you disagree with this) Hence, HP canopy = a bad idea. (I disagree with this)www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,989 #52 September 13, 2005 >"One that is above the experience and skill level of the jumper under it." I don't buy that. I am currently jumping a 1.9 to 1 Nitro, and have been for about 500 jumps now. I am familiar enough with it to be able to deal with people who cut me off, off-field landings, and low turns due to ground hazards. But I would never claim it's not a high performance canopy just because I have enough jumps on it to be able to fly it decently well. It is just as high performance as it ever was, and will kill me just as fast if I make a serious mistake. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #53 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteOnce again, I did not say "HP = death trap", you did. My original post on my definition of a HP canopy: "One that is above the experience and skill level of the jumper under it." Where did I make reference to "death trap"? I am assuming that to her (and me), a canopy above one's experience is a death trap (or to put it more lightly, an accident waiting to happen). Do you disagree with this? If A=B and B=C, then A=C. HP canopy = beyond one's skillset. (your statement) Jumping a canopy beyond one's skillset = a bad idea (my statement, but I would be surprised if you disagree with this) Hence, HP canopy = a bad idea. (I disagree with this) *** Why must you continue to pick apart words? To argue for the sake of arguing? I for one, understood what Sparky meant with HIS comment~ ...perhaps a few more jumps, a few more years...you will too. Until then please just drop it. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The111 1 #54 September 13, 2005 QuoteI for one, understood what Sparky meant with HIS comment~ ...perhaps a few more jumps, a few more years...you will too. I know what he meant. I disagreed. My time in the sport is irrelevant. QuoteUntil then please just drop it. It takes two to argue. Besides, haven't you figured out yet that arguing is what DZ.com is all about? www.WingsuitPhotos.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #55 September 13, 2005 Besides, haven't you figured out yet that arguing is what DZ.com is all about? *** Point Taken! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EvilLurker 2 #56 September 13, 2005 Huh. I read that whole thing and still can't make the connection between a high-performance canopy and the skill of the pilot. A P-51 Mustang would be a high performance aircraft whether Chuck Yeager or Elmer Fudd was in the cockpit. I'd say it's completely dependent on design and wing loading. If the guy flying it is in over his head, it's still got the same "performance" potential. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #57 September 13, 2005 QuoteHuh. I read that whole thing and still can't make the connection between a high-performance canopy and the skill of the pilot. A P-51 Mustang would be a high performance aircraft whether Chuck Yeager or Elmer Fudd was in the cockpit. I'd say it's completely dependent on design and wing loading. If the guy flying it is in over his head, it's still got the same "performance" potential. *** YUP! You're right...you win!! (Ever seen that picture about 'arguing over the internet' and racing in the Special Olympics ?) ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #58 September 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteSparky, I think the majority of us agree with the HP = High Performance while you define HP = death trap. Once again, I did not say "HP = death trap", you did. My original post on my definition of a HP canopy: "One that is above the experience and skill level of the jumper under it." Where did I make reference to "death trap"? Sparky It was implied. "Death Trap" maybe an exaggeration/embellishment, but not far from your definition. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sneakerz 0 #59 September 14, 2005 Saw a guy not too long ago at my DZ, he was from south florida, many many many jumps, he was on a 300 sq ft main in a military rig that he bought--------------- "Once you find a job that you like, you never have to work another day in your life" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #60 September 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteHuh. I read that whole thing and still can't make the connection between a high-performance canopy and the skill of the pilot. A P-51 Mustang would be a high performance aircraft whether Chuck Yeager or Elmer Fudd was in the cockpit. I'd say it's completely dependent on design and wing loading. If the guy flying it is in over his head, it's still got the same "performance" potential. *** YUP! You're right...you win!! (Ever seen that picture about 'arguing over the internet' and racing in the Special Olympics ?) You are right Jim, they win. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #61 September 14, 2005 QuoteWhat do you consider "high" jump numbers? At almost 1100 jumps I fly a canopy I load at about 1.0:1. We know a guy with 7k jumps, been jumping for over 40 yr's and jumps a big ass canopy. W/l less than 1 to 1. R.I.P. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
