Lostinspace 0 #1 September 6, 2005 I had an exciting landing this weekend. I wore gloves and somewhere on final, the cord to collapse my slider became caught inbetween my fingers. There was no time to get it out, so I only had a few inches of flare. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #2 September 6, 2005 QuoteI had an exciting landing this weekend. I wore gloves and somewhere on final, the cord to collapse my slider became caught inbetween my fingers. There was no time to get it out, so I only had a few inches of flare. Did you survive? Do you have one of those cords with two channels and a loop in front that must have hooked your finger? Or a single pull-cord? Or did the little "barb" catch on your glove? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nael 0 #3 September 7, 2005 QuoteDid you survive? www.TerminalSports.com.auAustralia's largest skydive gear store Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #4 September 7, 2005 QuoteI had an exciting landing this weekend. I wore gloves and somewhere on final, the cord to collapse my slider became caught inbetween my fingers. There was no time to get it out, so I only had a few inches of flare. No kidding. That's wild. Seems like anything can happen. Are you going to hold your hands differently now when you fly your canopy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #5 September 7, 2005 QuoteI had an exciting landing this weekend. I wore gloves and somewhere on final, the cord to collapse my slider became caught inbetween my fingers. There was no time to get it out, so I only had a few inches of flare. Do you pull your slider down the risers (behind your head)? "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peej 0 #6 September 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteI had an exciting landing this weekend. I wore gloves and somewhere on final, the cord to collapse my slider became caught inbetween my fingers. There was no time to get it out, so I only had a few inches of flare. Do you pull your slider down the risers (behind your head)? That's a really good point dude, we've had a few peeps on our DZ that want to learn to swoop but don't pull their slider down and all it does is distract them on final. We're highly recomending that they get slider stops sewn onto their risers by a rigger, it just takes away any distraction the slider might have. Advertisio Rodriguez / Sky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lostinspace 0 #7 September 7, 2005 QuoteDid you survive? I slid it in. Quote Do you have one of those cords with two channels and a loop in front that must have hooked your finger? Or a single pull-cord? Or did the little "barb" catch on your glove? I have a tab at the end of the collapse line. The tab was wedge inbetween my pinky and ring finger, all the way at the base of my fingers. Quote Are you going to hold your hands differently now when you fly your canopy? no. Quote Do you pull your slider down the risers (behind your head)?no. I have mini risers with slinks and I use the hats/bumpers that prevent the slider decending on to the risers. I spoke with an AFFI. He said this is one reason to stow the slider behind my head. I plan on removing the hats/bumpers from my rig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #8 September 7, 2005 That sounds pretty hairy. How is it that you didn't notice it before landing? Anyway, I'm glad you made it out alright. With the slinks, you shouldn't need those 'bumbers'. They are there solely to prevent the HardLinks from damging the gromets in the slider when it comes down on them. (A little nick in the slider gromet can shred your lines.) That being said, the slider should still fit over them. I was collapsing my slider and pulling it down over the bumbers long before I had slinks installed. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lostinspace 0 #9 September 7, 2005 QuoteHow is it that you didn't notice it before landing? The tab wasn't between my fingers when i turned onto final. I was wearing gloves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #10 September 7, 2005 QuoteSlink Cover.jpg Oh, I see I had misunderstood... I don't know of any reason somebody would want something like that. Why would you not want your slider coming down over the links? Anyone? My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #11 September 7, 2005 QuoteWhy would you not want your slider coming down over the links? Anyone? Right under the links are your toggles. Some people are uncomfortable with the slider being over or around their toggles. Those not concerned with the drag of the slider have no reason to risk the slider and toggles being in the same place, and yes, there is a risk involved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #12 September 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteWhy would you not want your slider coming down over the links? Anyone? Right under the links are your toggles. Some people are uncomfortable with the slider being over or around their toggles. Those not concerned with the drag of the slider have no reason to risk the slider and toggles being in the same place, and yes, there is a risk involved. Questions: - when bringing the slider down, doesn't it go OVER the toggles, meaming the toggles are now cleared of the slider? - if keeping the slider above the links, and not using "stops" or Link covers, isn't there a risk that the slider can come over the link and wedge the brake line between the grommet and the link, which could be dangerous should it happen while making a turn? Just trying to get some insight. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #13 September 7, 2005 First off, the bumper/no bumper discussion is limited to soft links, and their cloth bumpers. Hard links require a silicone bumper to prevent the link from damaging your slider gormmet, and then the grommet from damaging your lines. A hard link with a bumper will stop a slider, and the slider can usually be pulled over the silicone bumper, although it will typically damage the bumper in the process. Yes, your slider goes over your toggles, before unstowing your brakes. Once it is down, and you unstow your brakes, and unless you have a bungee, or slider stops, your slider can move back up, as far as the guide ring. If you prefer it to stay up, and you don't have bumpers, it can come down upon deployment, and either trap a toggle, or knock it out of it's keeper (possibly unstowing a brake, and with the slider over your toggles, this is a tricky one to fix). If it stops at the slinks, it is unlikely to cause any further trouble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #14 September 7, 2005 Thanks for the info. "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nate_1979 9 #15 September 7, 2005 Quote They are there solely to prevent the HardLinks from damging the gromets in the slider when it comes down on them. (A little nick in the slider gromet can shred your lines.) This is something that I did not know My new canopy has HardLinks and I pull my slider down, ... i think I'll have to inspect my gromets and look into getting my links replaced now. Thanks, FGF #??? I miss the sky... There are 10 types of people in the world... those who understand binary and those who don't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bert_man 0 #16 September 7, 2005 I have a friend who also has a hell of a time getting the slider past his toggles after opening due to his third riser setup. I've seen some of his video after opening, and it takes up to 15 seconds sometimes to get all that crap through the gromets. Also, in reply to the question of why someone would want bumpers: I have a vector I rig, with big fat risers, with a big fat guide ring. Using normal (thin) toggles caused me a malfuction, as the toggle got sucked through the guide ring and got caught in the slider before it could come down all the way. Now I use big fat toggles (like tandem toggles) that don't fit through the guide ring, and also don't fit through the slider gromets. Now I can't pull it behind my head if I want to, so why bother risking a premature brake release on deployment?-Ghetto "The reason death cannot frighten me, is because life has cured me of fear." Web Design Cleveland Skydiving Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bmcd308 0 #17 September 7, 2005 >>Why would you not want your slider coming down over the links? << Mine occasionally comes steaming down the lines so hard that it hurts like a SOB when it gets to my hands, which are on the rear risers. It also occasionally (and increasingly frequently, and I can't figure out why) dislodges a toggle on its way down. Also, once it is behind your head, it can sort of work its way part way back up and be a distraction. Search for "Holly Kish" to see why it might be a problem if it is near your guide rings. Brent ---------------------------------- www.jumpelvis.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beezyshaw 0 #18 September 8, 2005 QuoteThey are there solely to prevent the HardLinks from damging the gromets in the slider when it comes down on them. (A little nick in the slider gromet can shred your lines.) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is something that I did not know My new canopy has HardLinks and I pull my slider down, ... i think I'll have to inspect my gromets and look into getting my links replaced now. This is generally only an issue with BRASS slider grommets. If your slider has STAINLESS grommets, it is very unlikely that the grommets will sustain any damage from metal connector links, with or without any bumpers installed. I have put many hundreds of jumps on canopies with stainless links and grommets without bumpers and with no dings in the grommets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #19 September 8, 2005 HooknSwoop had to replace my nickle plated brass grommets since it actually split one of them open due to the previous owner jumping it with hard links and no bumpers. The grommets were all banged to hell. Stainless is a much better material for the abuse, but soft links address the issue also.Yesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #20 September 9, 2005 Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I can see a fast moving slider disloging a toggle if it got the chance. Thanks for the input. My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
