bkeul 0 #1 June 22, 2011 My home DZ is working on a post A license class for new jumpers. Are there any topics you wish someone had talked to you about after you just got your license? Looking for ideas. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
missbrz 0 #2 June 22, 2011 Canopy flight things. They were mostly glossed over in my student and early A license time. Also landing with half brakes. How to stall a canopy. How to NOT stall a canopy when in brakes. For actual free fall, I would have loved to learn to be able to hold my slot with out docking earlier. Eventually, we did dives without grips. Exact same dive flow but you couldnt take a grip you just had to hold your slot until everyone was in their slot for a full second. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #3 June 22, 2011 Canopy piloting Canopy control Canopy choices Oh, did I mention anything about canopies? Other stuff: Emergency procedures Landing patterns Landing off Effects of wind direction and speed Clearing airspace Head on a swivel Gear knowledge Safety attitude Spotting Exit order and separation DZ orientation at every DZ visited ...just to name a few.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #4 June 22, 2011 One possibility to consider is to have everyone come into the class with a question written out, and hand it in before the class. It can be either anonymous or signed. It allows people to ask embarrassing questions and have them dealt with in class (someone else probably has the same question). It also gives the instruction staff an idea of what questions people have, and might help drive some of the curriculum. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinciflies 0 #5 June 22, 2011 That's a great idea, but it doesn't allow for people not knowing what they don't know. Maybe a combination of Pops list (which seems very comprehensive) and your anonymous "get it off your chest" method would work well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nbblood 0 #6 June 22, 2011 QuoteThat's a great idea, but it doesn't allow for people not knowing what they don't know. Maybe a combination of Pops list (which seems very comprehensive) and your anonymous "get it off your chest" method would work well. Personally, I think that's a great idea. I think Wendy's idea is fantastic. Sometimes people hold onto questions because they are embarrassed to ask. That would be a way to get them out there. But you're right. Sometimes they don't know what they don't know. I think a combination would be a great idea. You might see developing trends or get ideas as a class like this develops. Be open to addressing concerns as they arise. Hope it works out well for you!Blues, Nathan If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #7 June 22, 2011 QuoteMy home DZ is working on a post A license class for new jumpers. Are there any topics you wish someone had talked to you about after you just got your license? Looking for ideas. Thanks! Great idea - helps to establish that the A license is really a license to keep learning. You've gotten some great ideas already. One other thing might be to put together some handouts with two- and three-way drill dives. We encourage the newbies to do small jumps, but often they don't really know where to begin in planning a dive flow. Giving them some simple 3-4 point dive flows to use might be helpful."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #8 June 22, 2011 QuoteMy home DZ is working on a post A license class for new jumpers. Are there any topics you wish someone had talked to you about after you just got your license? Looking for ideas. Thanks! Nice idea. Will your DZ give staff rates or LO slots to experienced jumpers that will jump with low timers? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #9 June 22, 2011 QuoteAre there any topics you wish someone had talked to you about after you just got your license? Not me personally, but I think it's helpful to remind newly licensed folks that they need to think about some of the things they've been relying on instructors and coaches and student guidelines for during training. For example: If there's a need for an emergency exit, which canopy are you going to chose and when (and why). What's your decision altitude? What's your wind limit? How do you find out what the uppers are before you board the plane? How much exit separation do you need to give the group ahead of you (and why) I know these are things a newly licensed person should already know, but having a reminder that they are now solely responsible for knowing these kinds of things and no longer have someone watching their backs, at least officially.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLIDEANGLE 1 #10 June 22, 2011 In addition to the above: How to go to OTHER dropzones safely. (I know several of us who had unsatisfactory adventures to other DZs early in our careers.) Canopy landing accuracy... You are going to need it for the B & C licenses.The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pyrotech 0 #11 June 22, 2011 Quote Emergency procedures Landing patterns Landing off Effects of wind direction and speed Clearing airspace Head on a swivel Gear knowledge Safety attitude Spotting Exit order and separation Are these usually not taught pre-A license? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #12 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuote Emergency procedures Landing patterns Landing off Effects of wind direction and speed Clearing airspace Head on a swivel Gear knowledge Safety attitude Spotting Exit order and separation Are these usually not taught pre-A license? Yes, it should be, but there's a lot of room to both reinforce and expand upon what's taught during the A license progression. Getting to the A license tends to be a bit of "information overload," and taking the time to discuss those topics again and after you have some experience can be very valuable."There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #13 June 22, 2011 QuoteQuote Emergency procedures Landing patterns Landing off Effects of wind direction and speed Clearing airspace Head on a swivel Gear knowledge Safety attitude Spotting Exit order and separation Are these usually not taught pre-A license? Of course they are, and more...by the half-decent (or better) instructors anyway. I have yet to meet a new skydiver that didn't need a refresher every now and then. Even the conscientious ones that actively pursue their learning could use it...nobody new remembers everything they are taught. That comes with repetition and drilling and experience.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
adamramm23 0 #14 June 22, 2011 Advice on purchasing gear would be helpful. It is easy to get lost on which container, main, reserve, AAD, etc. to buy when you have just entered the sport. Maybe some do's and don'ts for beginner gear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jsaxton 0 #15 June 23, 2011 Jan has covered a ton of this, no need to re-invent the wheel: http://http://makeithappen.com/spsj/ QuoteMy home DZ is working on a post A license class for new jumpers. Are there any topics you wish someone had talked to you about after you just got your license? Looking for ideas. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zaccelerator 0 #16 June 23, 2011 QuoteJan has covered a ton of this, no need to re-invent the wheel: http://makeithappen.com/spsj/ Fixed it for ya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zaccelerator 0 #17 June 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteJan has covered a ton of this, no need to re-invent the wheel: http://makeithappen.com/spsj/ Fixed it for ya Had to come back and say this is great stuff! Especially liked "Newbie Blues" and "Survival Tip" http://makeithappen.com/spsj/newbie.htm http://makeithappen.com/spsj/survival.htm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dean358 0 #18 June 23, 2011 In addition to all the great topics listed above, I recommend covering "hazardous pilot attitudes and their antidotes." This link is a good treatment of the topic (even though it's written for hanglider pilots instead of skydivers): http://www.oregonhanggliding.com/awarenessthree.pdfwww.wci.nyc Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #19 June 23, 2011 QuoteAdvice on purchasing gear would be helpful. It is easy to get lost on which container, main, reserve, AAD, etc. to buy when you have just entered the sport. Maybe some do's and don'ts for beginner gear. Here's some more helpful advice from Chutingstar. Start with "Buying Gear - Latest Articles" http://www.chutingstar.com/expertadvice_en/My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bkeul 0 #20 June 23, 2011 Thanks everybody for all the good ideas and the links. :) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #21 June 23, 2011 QuoteCanopy piloting Canopy control Canopy choices Oh, did I mention anything about canopies? Other stuff: Emergency procedures Landing patterns Landing off Effects of wind direction and speed Clearing airspace Head on a swivel Gear knowledge Safety attitude Spotting Exit order and separation DZ orientation at every DZ visited ...just to name a few. +1 on all, especially the gear knowledge. There are many things that can be resolved if the owner would just know what to look at/for on their gear."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
