mixedup 0 #1 June 23, 2011 would be interested in hearing whether it does take a conscious effort to stay in a stable arch? Or whether once your in the stable arch, can you just relax into it after which you'll continue to be stay in it? In other words will the stable arch always require some dedicated use of muscles to stay in it so to speak? [I'm just done AFF stage 3 - got a little unstable at one point in the last jump - not too bad, but told I need to remember to arch more in this case - plus legs were tending to be too bent]Parachutist Game IOS Android YouT Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CazmoDee 3 #2 June 23, 2011 Jump as much as you can......it will start to come naturally.......kind of like riding a bike.......when was the last time you had to really think about not falling over? I'm behind the bar at Sloppy Joe's....See ya in the Keys! Muff 4313 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #3 June 23, 2011 It's probably similar to learning to stand on one foot or ride a bike when you're little. The first couple of times you do it it requires a focused effort. Once you're accustomed to doing it, it's still taking the same amount of effort but you're not required to focus on it any more.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #4 June 23, 2011 Quotewould be interested in hearing whether it does take a conscious effort to stay in a stable arch? I agree with labrys. Anything you do at first requires conscious effort until that muscle memory sinks in. I tell my FJC students that it will take a conscious effort to arch and hold. You mentioned legs.... I apply that to legs out, too...a conscious effort to extend the legs and feel the air pressure on the shins and insteps...a conscious effort to put some muscle into it to keep the wind from flopping the feet around. While they are working on neutral body position on the horizontal trainer, I simulate the feel of the wind pressure and the feet-flop by lifting the legs and bumping their feet around while they put some muscle into it to hold the legs out and still.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Joellercoaster 6 #5 June 23, 2011 People seem to be talking about mental effort, but the question you asked was Quote will the stable arch always require some dedicated use of muscles to stay in it so to speak? ...and the answer is, yes - it take muscular input to stay arched. In particular, if you look at people who do a lot of flat-flying in the tunnel, you'll notice they have quite well-developed lower back muscles (Note that this isn't the same thing as being tense! Tension is the enemy of stability. The key is relaxing the right bits and using just the important bits, which just comes from practice. You'll get there!) -- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tkhayes 348 #6 June 23, 2011 it requires conscious effort until you 'learn' it. Learning, by definition, is a 'relatively permanent change of behavior'. Once you have learned it, then it will no longer require the conscious effort, you will simply 'do it' Wind Tunnels are good tools for this, more time in freefall as well, relaxation exercises. If you cannot relax a bit, then you cannot think, if you cannot think, then you cannot act, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kkeenan 14 #7 June 23, 2011 It's a lot like being in the water. At first, you concentrate on breathing and maintaining buoyancy, etc. Later, you can hop in the water and never think about these things, as your body and "muscle memory" naturally do the right things. So, Practice, Practice, Practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #8 June 23, 2011 On the ground, it can take a significant amount of energy and effort to demonstrate an arch. Instructors usually have the student lie on their bellies, and lift their arms and legs into an arch. In free fall, it's quite different. You don't have to lift your arms and legs into an arch, instead - you allow your belly and hips to sink into the arch. It's difficult to simulate this on the ground though. Still, it takes practices, and the more you can practice the more natural it gets. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Joellercoaster 6 #5 June 23, 2011 People seem to be talking about mental effort, but the question you asked was Quote will the stable arch always require some dedicated use of muscles to stay in it so to speak? ...and the answer is, yes - it take muscular input to stay arched. In particular, if you look at people who do a lot of flat-flying in the tunnel, you'll notice they have quite well-developed lower back muscles (Note that this isn't the same thing as being tense! Tension is the enemy of stability. The key is relaxing the right bits and using just the important bits, which just comes from practice. You'll get there!) -- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #6 June 23, 2011 it requires conscious effort until you 'learn' it. Learning, by definition, is a 'relatively permanent change of behavior'. Once you have learned it, then it will no longer require the conscious effort, you will simply 'do it' Wind Tunnels are good tools for this, more time in freefall as well, relaxation exercises. If you cannot relax a bit, then you cannot think, if you cannot think, then you cannot act, etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 14 #7 June 23, 2011 It's a lot like being in the water. At first, you concentrate on breathing and maintaining buoyancy, etc. Later, you can hop in the water and never think about these things, as your body and "muscle memory" naturally do the right things. So, Practice, Practice, Practice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #8 June 23, 2011 On the ground, it can take a significant amount of energy and effort to demonstrate an arch. Instructors usually have the student lie on their bellies, and lift their arms and legs into an arch. In free fall, it's quite different. You don't have to lift your arms and legs into an arch, instead - you allow your belly and hips to sink into the arch. It's difficult to simulate this on the ground though. Still, it takes practices, and the more you can practice the more natural it gets. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
