stratostar 5 #1 December 12, 2010 Posting here because I know the latest posts in the incidents forums will be edited/ pulled and or posters ask to move those kind of talks to another outlet. Like it or not in this sport there is a code of keeping your mouth shut and not openly talking about DZO's or dz staff wrong doing, even if your right about the facts your talking about or posting about in these forums. If you say or post things saying a dropzone owner acted with negligence in the incident forums you need to fully expect there to be fall out in your local and regional area if not nationwide with the friends of those your posting about. It will not matter how much truth is in your post or how many facts you have that back up your post, as we see in the recent threads about a longtime operator who was busted by the FAA and issued the largest fine in skydiving history, there will be those who don't care about endangering the customers in order to save a buck..... there will remain the die hard bandwagon riders who will support those your posting about, right or wrong. It has been reported that last night a dropzone dot com user who had posted harsh words towards a DZO/rigger involved in a fatal student jump, had her husband bare the brunt of the fallout for her postings on this site about the incident. It's been reported this husband (who hasn't posted FAWK) attended a dz party and was asked to leave in a calm manner and as he went outside to leave, he was followed by the dzo and two others, more words were exchanged and "reportedly" the DZO pulled a firearm on this guy as he was leaving. There is no excuse for pulling a firearm on someone who is leaving as asked or even because a spouse posted their own personal views on a subject in a dz.com thread, regardless not real smart to show up to a place where your other half has been bashing publicly the owner and not expect to be unwelcome, however it dose take big balls to show up there. You could post the truth about the Bernie Madoff of skydiving and your still going to end up on the shit list and people will hate you and even ban you from other dz's that is the just how the code of "keep your fucking mouth shut" about our illegal or negligence activities works in this industry, you are expected to turn a blind eye and remain quite, unless it's skyride. If you dare to work with the feds or LEO's or god forbid a lawyer, you can fully expect the other side to be gunning (pun intended) for you in many ways. Such as try to ruin your employment by calling your work place owner or boss and saying shit about you, having people show up when you least expect it to kick your ass pearl harbor style, tampering with your gear, calling all the other dzo's to ask you be banned or even pulling a gun on you if your stupid enough to show your face at a party/event they throw. It was asked if this is not the land of free speech? Well yes it is if you live in the USA, but that don't mean there will be no fallout even if your right about what you say/post here, if you can't take the heat don't jump into the fire pit. So post about dropzone owners & staff at your own risk of well being people!you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #2 December 12, 2010 So, one spouse posts and they pull a gun on the other spouse. WTF? How s t u p i d is that? Well, it's high-school stupid. The emotional development and maturity of some people arrests at 17. ...and pulling a gun is even more s t u p i d than that! Yes, we have to deal with the idiot kids. All we can do is hope they grow up before they learn some important life-lessons the hard way. I hope nobody takes your post as "discouraging" posting events.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #3 December 12, 2010 It's my understanding the "reported" gun puller is appx late 30's to early 40's. in other words not a kid.you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Krip 2 #4 December 13, 2010 Hi SS & Pops WTF is a understatementI'm very disappointed to hear that crap like this is going on. If what the OP says is true it's beyond HS more like the boys from the hood with their forties. There's a code of silence in the hood/prison, Rats die Now that the sport has turned into a industry the money is making people do things that didn't happen when jumping was a sport. Want to be a skydiver? Do one tandem get the video, go home and show it to all your friends. It's a lot safer and less expensive than dealing with the industry and their trade group. One Jump Wonder Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craigbey 0 #5 December 13, 2010 QuoteSo, one spouse posts and they pull a gun on the other spouse. You read it here and you believed, it? All of it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dannydan 5 #6 December 13, 2010 3 defendents and 1 plaintiff...? If no other eyes saw this that was NOT a party to this, then ONLY those four peeps know the truth! Not saying it ain't so nor am i saying it IS! I just pray that this is a badd badd rumor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #7 December 13, 2010 That thread is gone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #8 December 13, 2010 QuoteIt's my understanding the "reported" gun puller is appx late 30's to early 40's. in other words not a kid. Given this: The emotional development and maturity of some people arrests at 17. "Kid" still applies.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #9 December 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteSo, one spouse posts and they pull a gun on the other spouse. You read it here and you believed, it? All of it? Are you telling or just asking? If you read what I posted and refrain from "reading between the lines", you'll know what I said and wouldn't have to tell/ask.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #10 December 13, 2010 Quote That thread is gone. So...here's another WTF??? Statement retracted as per the following post by stratostarMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #11 December 13, 2010 Just the last few post of today were removed the thread is still there. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3969437;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread As for those early birds who would say a person would make up such a wild claim, why would they do that? Having seen first hand how low some dzo's will go to because someone would talk public about their negligence actions I don't find it all that hard to believe... I was not there I can't say it did happen as a dz dot com user has stated it did, but what reason could a person already on the shit list have for making up a felony towards there husband?you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #12 December 13, 2010 Pulling a gun out to threaten someone? As a responsible gun owner, I'd like to see that person do some time in jail. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #13 December 13, 2010 Quote Pulling a gun out to threaten someone? As a responsible gun owner, I'd like to see that person do some time in jail. +1"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lopullterri 0 #14 December 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteSo, one spouse posts and they pull a gun on the other spouse. You read it here and you believed, it? All of it? Yes it is true. I may be known for not knowing how to keep my F#*!ing mouth shut, but I am NOT known for lying. The sheriff was notified by my husband about the event, but since the only witnesses were the DZO and two of his 'followers'...no complaint was signed.~"I am not afraid. I was born to do this"~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #15 December 13, 2010 Quote Pulling a gun out to threaten someone? As a responsible gun owner, I'd like to see that person do some time in jail. Hear! Hear! Pulling a gun out to threaten someone could get your ass shot. Be careful what you ask for, everyone. This is one of those life-lessons I mentioned earlier.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #16 December 13, 2010 The guy has blood on his hands, maybe he wouldn't mind some more. Honestly, he is the one who should be having guns pointed at him.......... If the student was my friend.... Boy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #17 December 13, 2010 Good post Wes. It’s a shame so many jumpers will turn a blind eye to it. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craigbey 0 #18 December 13, 2010 QuoteAre you telling or just asking? Pops, there is no one that could tell you your business. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #19 December 13, 2010 QuoteQuoteAre you telling or just asking? Pops, there is no one that could tell you your business. I don't agree with that. Learning by listening is a good thing.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheach 0 #20 December 13, 2010 Quote Quote Pulling a gun out to threaten someone? As a responsible gun owner, I'd like to see that person do some time in jail. +1 Ummmm. Yah. If I was followed out to my car, and a gun was pulled on me- the outcome might have been different. I am going to assume any gun pulled on me(except by an LEO) is a threat on my life.I woke up next to a blowup doll Ash....so what do you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #21 December 13, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Pulling a gun out to threaten someone? As a responsible gun owner, I'd like to see that person do some time in jail. +1 Ummmm. Yah. If I was followed out to my car, and a gun was pulled on me- the outcome might have been different. I am going to assume any gun pulled on me(except by an LEO) is a threat on my life. Although, I'm sure the police would probably be interested in someone carrying a firearm on govt property."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheach 0 #22 December 13, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Quote Pulling a gun out to threaten someone? As a responsible gun owner, I'd like to see that person do some time in jail. +1 Ummmm. Yah. If I was followed out to my car, and a gun was pulled on me- the outcome might have been different. I am going to assume any gun pulled on me(except by an LEO) is a threat on my life. Although, I'm sure the police would probably be interested in someone carrying a firearm on govt property. The dzs I frequent are not government property. I assumed this happened at the dz.I woke up next to a blowup doll Ash....so what do you think? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #23 December 13, 2010 QuoteAs for those early birds who would say a person would make up such a wild claim, why would they do that? Because it happens. I know a DZ in that area that had a guy 'find' his gear was sabotaged just like the guys that went in at Archway. Like it or not, people make up shit at times. The 'victim' could have been asked to leave and escorted out of the hanger. When asked why he didn't tell them to sod off he could have blurted out, "they had a gun!" Quotebut what reason could a person already on the shit list have for making up a felony towards there husband? To get back at the person who put them on the shit list. Understand... I don't know ANY of the people in this story. But being around people and DZ's for a while.... I find BOTH story's to be plausible. 1. DZO gets mad and pulls a gun. 2. Guy gets mad and makes up a story to get even."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #24 December 13, 2010 We both know (from a semi-shared personal experience) that if you speak up, threats are not uncommon. Being ostracized is very common. It's wrongful that the cost of speaking out about safety might mean you've lost your ability to skydive at a particular DZ, but the fact is....that's the way it often is. It's more a human fallacy than a skydiving issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liftedtitan 0 #25 December 13, 2010 Quote Yes it is true. I may be known for not knowing how to keep my F#*!ing mouth shut, but I am NOT known for lying. The sheriff was notified by my husband about the event, but since the only witnesses were the DZO and two of his 'followers'...no complaint was signed. I don't know what "law" your sheriff follows, but where I'm from, a gun compliant is ALWAYS investigated. They don't give 2 shits about witnesses etc. You call the police and say someone has a gun, there will be 5 cruisers there in a matter of minutes and they will find out what really happened. That is why it is a little questionable in my mind, unless people pulling guns on people is "normal" where you live.Moriuntur omnes, sed non omnes vixerunt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
