seaweedknees 0 #1 April 4, 2011 OK a bit of a strange thread but it scares me a little to think that this guy is actually flying jumpers in the US. If any of you know who this guy is please try to talk some sense into him as he will end up killing someone. http://www.pprune.org/non-airline-transport-stuff/447605-parachute-dropping.html Obviously I am talking about the guy who thinks it is OK to stall a plane with someone hanging on the outside. SNS3Guppy From his posts I assume he is just some wannabe who pretends to be a pilot on the forum but decided to bring it to your attention as if he really is stalling a plane with jumpers on the outside and thinks its all good fun someone needs to have a talk with him. I know the keys out of the ignition is an old story but does that really ever happen, I mean has anyone actually seen this sort of utter stupidity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NealFitz 0 #2 April 5, 2011 he's such a troll. incidentally he speaks of taking 206's to 16K. wether its possible or not is a different question but would take a very long time especially if full of skydiversDudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #3 April 5, 2011 >I mean has anyone actually seen this sort of utter stupidity? Sure. Not uncommon at smaller DZ's, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #4 April 5, 2011 Seen alot of stupid in my 10-12yrs in the sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #5 April 5, 2011 Quotehe's such a troll. incidentally he speaks of taking 206's to 16K. wether its possible or not is a different question but would take a very long time especially if full of skydivers Read the link again. He talks about taking a Caravan up to 18,000. Others posting misinterperet it to be a 206. There's a bit of discussion about shock cooling the engine, and how you can't shock cool a turbine. However, I can't see routinely going up to 18k. The guy seems to be a "cowboy", more than just a little reckless and overconfident. As Billvon says, not too uncommon at the smaller DZs. And HERE is a thread that talks about the "Ignition Key" trick."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NealFitz 0 #6 April 5, 2011 if you read his last post QuoteOf course a Cessna 206 can drop jumpers at 16,000. I've done it many times. Never been sad about it, either. As for flying jumpers "or anything else," there are lots of other "else's" but that's not really relevant to the thread now, is it? i know he was talking about caravans flying at 18K however later in the discussion it moves onto 206s Quote182 and 206 jumps are normally 14,000 to 16,000 MSL, such as density altitude and load may allow on any given dayDudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #7 April 5, 2011 Quoteif you read his last post QuoteOf course a Cessna 206 can drop jumpers at 16,000. I've done it many times. Never been sad about it, either. As for flying jumpers "or anything else," there are lots of other "else's" but that's not really relevant to the thread now, is it? i know he was talking about caravans flying at 18K however later in the discussion it moves onto 206s Quote182 and 206 jumps are normally 14,000 to 16,000 MSL, such as density altitude and load may allow on any given day Ok, I missed that. (It may not have been up when I read it). You are right. I don't think you can get a 206 or 182 that high. I know our 182 has been up to 12 a few times (MSL) on "good" days. Only 3 jumpers, cooler days and a pilot who was willing to take a longer flight (his words "Let's see how high we can get") I don't think 16 in a normally aspirated engine is realistic, not with jumpers on board."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #8 April 5, 2011 I've been to 18k MSL in a C-180 with 3 jumpers. It took a while. Too bad we didn't have O2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #9 April 5, 2011 There are also turbo 206. I use to fly a turbo 210 and took it to the mid teens on a regular basis if the tail wind made it worth my time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zymurdoo 0 #10 April 5, 2011 At my local DZ we have a Turbo 206 that regularly takes 4-5 jumpers to 17,500 MSL in under 30 mins. Yes we have O2 onboard. I believe I have heard the ceiling of this plane is 21,000 MSL.Blue Skies, Soft Docks and Happy Landings! CWR #23 (It's called CRW, add an e if you like, but I ain't calling it CFS. FU FAI!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CornishChris 5 #11 April 5, 2011 I'd love to know the story behind the Islander stall shown in that thread... Edited to add: And the search function works once again... CJP Gods don't kill people. People with Gods kill people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NealFitz 0 #12 April 5, 2011 Quote I'd love to know the story behind the Islander stall shown in that thread... Edited to add: And the search function works once again... it should be knocking about on UKS somewhere as a former user posted it there. i didnt realise that even turbo 206s could fly that high i apologise Dudeist Skydiver #170 You do not need a parachute to skydive, you only need one to skydive again Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #13 April 5, 2011 QuoteAt my local DZ we have a Turbo 206 that regularly takes 4-5 jumpers to 17,500 MSL in under 30 mins. Yes we have O2 onboard. I believe I have heard the ceiling of this plane is 21,000 MSL. Service ceiling. The maximum density altitude where the best rate-of-climb airspeed will produce a 100-feet-per-minute climb at maximum weight while in a clean configuration with maximum continuous power. Turbo Cessna 206 Takeoff Run (ft) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 835 Takeoff Run over 50 ft Barrier (ft) . . . . . 1,640 Rate of Climb (ft per min) . . . . . . . . . 1,010 Service Ceiling, wheels (ft) . . . . . . . . 27,000 Top Speed (knots) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 174 Cruising Speed (80% power; knots) . . . . . . 167 Cruising Range, (80% power; nautical) 640 Cruising Range, wheels (maximum; nautical)....805 Stalling Speed, wheels (knots) . . . . . . . 54 Landing Roll (ft) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 735 Gross Weight (lbs) . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3,600 Empty Weight (standard) . . . . . . . . . . . 2,000 Useful Load (lbs) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,600 Engine TBO (hrs) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,400"He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #14 April 5, 2011 It would take a loooong time to get to 27k in a turbo 206 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #15 April 5, 2011 LOL, yes it would but they are the published numbers, take them for what they are...."He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,373 #16 April 5, 2011 Hi John, Quote I've been to 18k MSL in a C-180 with 3 jumpers. 'Back in the day, ( the '60's )' Ralph Hatley, on occasion, would take his C-180 w/4 jumpers to 18K. I've jumped a turbo 206 @ 23K. All numbers AGL, JerryBaumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craigbey 0 #17 April 6, 2011 Quote>I mean has anyone actually seen this sort of utter stupidity? Sure. Not uncommon at smaller DZ's, Yep, and we have people routinely throwing 270's through the landing pattern... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dittodogg 0 #18 April 6, 2011 On a cool Feb day here in Southern Germany I was in a Turbo 206 that was climbing at about 1350 fpm till about 1100 and about 1000 fpm until 17000 according to my suunto and altimeter. Again it was a cool day low DA and I think only 3 jumpers plus pilot. That thing climbs like a raped ape. My .02Team Dirty Sanchez #455, Muff Brother #4197, SCR #14847, DPH -8, Dude #5150 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #19 April 6, 2011 I have definitely flown a 206 above 17999'.If there is no one else in the back of the plane, not a big deal. I have intentionally stalled a plane with my friend hanging on the strut. contrary to a lot of ignorant belief out there, stall does not normally equal spin and death. A stall in a C is not the same as a stall or V-mca stall in a kingair. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpwally 0 #20 April 8, 2011 I know of a certain instructor that after dropping off the static line students would take his rig off and secure it in back of the 182, then wait till about a grand and climb out on the step and stay there all thru till landing. He enjoyed stressing the pilots out. They all learned how to grease them in..... smile, be nice, enjoy life FB # - 1083 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
obelixtim 150 #21 April 10, 2011 Cotty (Kevin Cottrell) went to 25000 in a C185 on a night jump in Palmerston North, back in 1976, to set a NZ night jump record that prolly still stands. Actually got a bit higher than that, but lost a bit of altitude on exit...verified at 25000. Took about an hour to get there as I recall, ZK-CGH had a 260 hp motor at that time. Johnny Plank was the pilot.My computer beat me at chess, It was no match for me at kickboxing.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
