popsjumper 2 #26 February 28, 2011 Quote Back more than 35 years ago...We practiced PLF over and over by jumping off a 4 ft high platform...I got good at it. Me....20 minutes skydive training, 2.5 hours PLF...we had an 8ft platform. Forwards, sideways and backwards. My JM brother was an asshole. Quote I just went though AFF training... PLF practice in my AFF course was not quite as useful. It wasn't by jumping off something, it was just kind of hopping up on a carpeted floor then falling. Did you forget about the horizontal speed simulation? Did you forget the part about the platform and the vertical component? Quote I don't think it was as good a training technique, because you really didn't have a chance to get into the position you would be in (because the act of hopping gets all your limbs out of position). Well, Peter, this is out of left field. You performed perfectly well with all your limbs in proper position on both the horizontal AND the vertical training. Did you forget that the whole "hopping" thing on the horizontal simulation was only for practice on the ground so that I could see that you were touching down with both feet together and that on your actual jumps you would NOT be "hopping" because the ground was going to take your feet out from under you? Did you forget the part on the vertical training off the platform about landing on your feet with minimum pressure (Don't break the egg)? Quote Much better (IMO) to be jumping off of an elevated platform of sorts, as that much better simulates the real conditions and the speed and forces. Again, did you forget the part about the platform and the vertical component? How high would you suggest? Under the rounds on which you were originally trained, maybe so...do you feel that you hit the ground as hard as you did under the rounds? Quote Put on a helmet, knee pads, elbow pads, hip pads, whatever you got to avoid bruising, I disagree. The bruising helps you learn what's hitting hard. Quote FYI, with the possibility of standup landings now, I get all confused: I know how to do a PLF, but as I approach the ground my mind is doing all sorts of calculations back and forth: "can I stand this? Wait, just be safe. Wait, I can stand this up. Oh no, maybe I can't." So I ended up not doing either! Yes, we've noticed. Quote First 7 AFFs were 3 butt slides,... Turn around and kiss your tailbone in thanks of not getting broken. Oh and BTW...it would have been nice to have found out about your concerns here, in person, rather than through the internet. We can't help if we don't know what your concerns are.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guineapiggie101 0 #27 February 28, 2011 Im not a camera person, just a lowly AFF student doing an uphill climb. I fixed my profile. That's what I get for posting with an iPad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guineapiggie101 0 #28 March 1, 2011 PiLFy, yes Elsinore is a GREAT DZ. The instructors there, as well as most of the other jumpers there are great. I am not trying to second guess my instructors and I am sorry if I am giving off that impression. I guess I post because I don't know where else to talk about my frustrations and stuff when I am NOT at the DZ. I am hoping the sprain will go away quickly and I can jump again soon ( like maybe this weekend ). I really enjoy being out there. Sometimes I do feel like it's been an uphill struggle for me, since the beginning. But that's a great motivator too. And yes, I am a "little person" and things are more challenging for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #29 March 1, 2011 apple is EVIL.. remember the thing about the bible and adam and eve!? it was APPLE that made them fuck up! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guineapiggie101 0 #30 March 1, 2011 Quote apple is EVIL.. remember the thing about the bible and adam and eve!? it was APPLE that made them fuck up! Naw Apple is great. Me love my iPad, MacBook and iMac. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #31 March 1, 2011 Quote Quote apple is EVIL.. remember the thing about the bible and adam and eve!? it was APPLE that made them fuck up! Naw Apple is great. Me love my iPad, MacBook and iMac. i just got an iphone.. still can get hardly over the fact that i did, but i think steve jobs is the ANTICHRIST!!! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #32 March 1, 2011 Quote I was going to the doc to get the foot looked at... Why would you need to actually go to the doctor to get it looked at? Just go to some medical discussion forums and post what happened. I'm sure you'll get a ton of GREAT diagnosis'! You'll be fixed right up that way, in no time!! Obviously, I am J/K!!! Also, really really trying not to sound mean or condescending about that - just to provide another "illustration", to maybe help you think about this just a bit is all. Think about it this way... You can probably get some great tips even, from sites like webMD just for example. Alternative methods of rehab, paths to healing, what to-do, what not to-do etc. ...ONCE YOU HAVE A DIAGNOSIS. However, prescribing treatment without a diagnosis (i.e. without at least SEEING YOU), is the very definition of MALPRACTICE! Think about that.coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guineapiggie101 0 #33 March 1, 2011 Scrumpot, I get your POV. No need to belittle me. I realize the error of my ways. Going to my instructors is best. Sometimes I post here for camerarderie too. Oh well. I guess I shouldn't post here until I am a bit more "advanced". Some people here really like to "roast" the newbies I see Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cutaway68 4 #34 March 1, 2011 [url] Quote Scrumpot, I get your POV. No need to belittle me. I realize the error of my ways. Going to my instructors is best. Sometimes I post here for camerarderie too. Oh well. I guess I shouldn't post here until I am a bit more "advanced". Some people here really like to "roast" the newbies I see You will need to have thick skin in the skydiving community in general, but especially here. People really like to "roast" everyone. Don't Pull Low... Unless You ARE!!! The pessimist says, "It can't get any worse than this." The optimist says, "Sure, it can." Be fun, have safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #35 March 1, 2011 awww, i hope i havent come across as for "roasting" you.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guineapiggie101 0 #36 March 1, 2011 Quote awww, i hope i havent come across as for "roasting" you.. Naw, you haven't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #37 March 1, 2011 Quote Scrumpot, I get your POV. No need to belittle me. I realize the error of my ways. Going to my instructors is best. Sometimes I post here for camerarderie too. Oh well. I guess I shouldn't post here until I am a bit more "advanced". Some people here really like to "roast" the newbies I see Does anyone else get a giggle from this?What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guineapiggie101 0 #38 March 1, 2011 Cutaway, I agree with you. Some people on here really LIKE to roast people. I tend to be a bit "thin-skinned" and take things a bit too seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thrillstalker 0 #39 March 1, 2011 QuoteSo perhaps the "slide" is better than the "stop" as long as your feet don't get caught on anything. clumps of grass have broken ankles and legs."Never grow a wishbone, where your backbone ought to be." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxwellman23 0 #40 March 1, 2011 I know a guy in the Air Force who thought he could jump from the top of a two story building into grass and be fine just using the PLF, he was right. Jumped and did it perfectly, got up and walked away. Although he was Pararescue and im sure had the training ingrained into his being. Just study the technique and apply, rinse and repeat p.s. the second guy who tried landed on concrete and broke both legs I am ALIVE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #41 March 1, 2011 No belittling, nor "roasting" either meant, directed at you, or intended in any way. If my post came across in any way as such, I do so - sincerely apologize. Was merely trying to provide just another relevant, comparison perspective, which seemed germane (and easy enough to simply pick out of your post is all) - where you presented it, just to help make you think/consider, is all. I hope your ankle feels good enough to actually get back out there and in the air for you by this weekend - but even if it is not all the way back up to 100%, maybe you can go out, hang out - take part in the DZ activity/atmosphere etc. - or, do the tunnel, where it seems also you have that available to you as well anyway? No better camaraderie than in-person/the real thing in that regard too! Happy to root you on, and provide you all the encouragement and support I/we can! Go get 'em!! Like I say (and I meant) - I truly did not intend the advice to sound belittling in any way at all. My apologies if it came across that way. When you ask for advice - do you always just want to hear only that, which you "wanted to hear" (could sound a lot like camaraderie) --- or would you rather receive frank, straight-forward, direct and candid advice - that may seem even maybe sometimes as blunt? By-the-way too, to answer your full additional question asked (about lying about the source of your injury) - I also do not advocate practices, or overt acts of deceit/dishonesty either. Most (group medical) insurance policies don't have ANY concerns over, or exclusions around how your accidental injury took place. I would also be quite skeptical of folks who just blanketly advise you out-of-hand to LIE, or be deceitful in your dealings (personal, business or otherwise) as well. Maybe that's not what you are necessarily wanting to hear from anyone as well. Indeed - if you are just looking for a "yes-person", and that is your measure of camaraderie... you would be right to identify me as NOT one of those people. However, if you want honest (and yes - maybe even sometimes to be considerered I suppose, "blunt") feedback - just let me know. I am always also btw - fully willing to provide encouragement and SUPPORT, wherever it is warranted... which as I've also said, you have from me as well. I hope your ankle is feeling better quickly, and you are able to get back up there, and "git-er-done" very soon! I'm rooting for ya! Blue Skies, -Grant coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guineapiggie101 0 #42 March 1, 2011 Scrumpot, I am not just looking for a "yes" person. i do like frank discussions and blunt feedback. I just need to be a bit more "thick-skinned". I can take things a bit too seriously sometimes.And thanks for your encouragement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #43 March 1, 2011 Quote Quote awww, i hope i havent come across as for "roasting" you.. Naw, you haven't. i'm glad! tough i seem to like to make "little people"-comments, as in other threads..yes-yes, i know i'll get to hell for that. but i'm just being me! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BrianM 1 #44 March 1, 2011 Quote I know, I probably should be asking my instructors these questions. A lot of times, I am soo overloaded and exhausted after my jump that I kind of get dazed and don't know what to ask. Then I usually remember, like later that night, or the next day. Write down your questions as as you think of them. Take the list with you next time you go to the DZ. Sit down with an instructor and go over your list. Problem solved! "It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #45 March 1, 2011 Quote Quote I know, I probably should be asking my instructors these questions. A lot of times, I am soo overloaded and exhausted after my jump that I kind of get dazed and don't know what to ask. Then I usually remember, like later that night, or the next day. Write down your questions as as you think of them. Take the list with you next time you go to the DZ. Sit down with an instructor and go over your list. Problem solved! but where's the entertainment value in that for us!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #46 March 1, 2011 Quote Write down your questions as as you think of them. Take the list with you next time you go to the DZ. Sit down with an instructor and go over your list. Problem solved! And _that_ is perhaps the best advice given in this thread. The alternative is to listen to some of the moronic utterings from those who have never seen the OP skydive nor are educated in the process through which instruction is occurring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocPop 1 #47 March 1, 2011 Do you think that students/non-license holders should not be permitted to post on dz.com? This is a serious question because I can see your point about well-intentioned internet advice derailing the instruction process."The ground does not care who you are. It will always be tougher than the human behind the controls." ~ CanuckInUSA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #48 March 1, 2011 Quote Do you think that students/non-license holders should not be permitted to post on dz.com? This is a serious question because I can see your point about well-intentioned internet advice derailing the instruction process. dude, u're asking a MODERATOR on dorkzone.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #49 March 1, 2011 QuoteDo you think that students/non-license holders should not be permitted to post on dz.com? This is a serious question because I can see your point about well-intentioned internet advice derailing the instruction process. Of course non-licensed holders/students should be allowed to post on a website. And hopefully, they'll be as candid and open with their instructors as Guineapiggie is, and just as the OP is going through the process of figuring out who the dumbasses are and who has experience and knowledge, so shall others. It's a good dialog, until someone with very low experience who spends more time posting goatfuck-stupid advice under the influence of beer jumps into the conversation. Then it becomes cause for concern for the instructor, because very new jumpers don't know how to quickly determine who is who or the quality of their information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TSISK 0 #50 March 2, 2011 Quote Quote It's a good dialog, until someone with very low experience who spends more time posting goatfuck-stupid advice under the influence of beer jumps into the conversation. . Best Quote ever Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
