ridestrong 1 #26 February 9, 2011 Oh man... I'm sure you can't wait to get it!!!!*I am not afraid of dying... I am afraid of missing life.* ----Disclaimer: I don't know shit about skydiving.---- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pnuwin 0 #27 February 9, 2011 Quote>Pilot or Safire? Safire2. Pilots are best in the larger sizes, down to about a 140. Below that I'd go with a Safire2. I'm a bit curious about this comment. What differences did you notice between the pilot and safire2 in the smaller sizes? Was this observation attributed to the size or the higher wingloading? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #28 February 9, 2011 Quote Quote not sure if it's quite your size.. but it sure is PRETTY! That's coo.... I did mine with the tangerine ribs as well. Also inside of a V3. we now have a couple canopies with differing colors from ribs to outer-skins; they all look fantastic! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #29 February 9, 2011 I just loved mine (139) while I was jumping it. Openings, flare and no hassle. I think it is for sale now, but this one could be too smallfor u.dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #30 February 9, 2011 throttlebender is looking for one, not me. but put it on my FB coz there's lots of skydivers on there.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #31 February 9, 2011 Oh, I didn`t mean you in the first place Just to lazy and replied to the last post. I know `bout your Safire dude. And from little that I know you I predict you going Xfire by the end of this season. dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #32 February 9, 2011 Quote Oh, I didn`t mean you in the first place Just to lazy and replied to the last post. I know `bout your Safire dude. And from little that I know you I predict you going Xfire by the end of this season. if all goes well.. maybe! next time at the dz, i'll start playing with the 270's.. not really pushing it, having fun enjoying the ride. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #33 February 9, 2011 >What differences did you notice between the pilot and safire2 in the smaller sizes? Flare, front riser pressure, recovery arc, openings. The smaller Pilots have very high front riser pressure and a very short recovery arc. Oddly, at sizes 140 and higher, the front riser pressure seems to drop a bit and toggle pressure goes down. Recovery arc does not increase, but it seems to decrease less than you'd expect. I'm basing this on comparisons between: Pilot 150 (Amy's demo canopy) Pilot 140 (my old bigway canopy) Pilot 117 (short lived working canopy) Safire1 129 (really a 119) Safire2 119 (second rig canopy) Safire2 109 (Amy's new canopy) To be fair, I may have just gotten a "bum" Pilot 117. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Throttlebender 0 #34 February 9, 2011 Mircan, Yes, that's a bit too small for me, but thanks anyway Life expands or contracts in proportion to one's courage. ~Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandi 0 #35 February 10, 2011 I loved the Safire2 I used to have! I sold it after I had my daughter, I don't think I'll ever be jumping anything that small again (it was a 109). When I start jumping again I'll definitely be looking to buy another Safire2. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mircan 0 #36 February 10, 2011 Quote Mircan, Yes, that's a bit too small for me, but thanks anyway Of course, i was not serious. Anyway, as I can see, people that ditch Safires usually do that to get Crossfires. And then they are even more in love. dudeist skydiver #42 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #37 February 10, 2011 What makes you want to stick with the saffire or pilot? Another canopy comparable to the saffire is the sabre2, demo one, I bet you really like it... PS I may know of a Saffire 2 149 with 100 jumps (Blue with orange ribs) becoming available in the not too distant future... :-D PM me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #38 February 10, 2011 Quote I'm seeing plenty of Pilots for sale which is my second choice(and current canopy on the rig I'm selling) but finding a good used Safire2 160-169 is a pain in the buttJust needed to grumble for a sec. Holy Crap dude - I wish I would have known . . . I just gave mine away.Just kiddingI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #39 February 10, 2011 Wow, WL >1,6 at ~300 jumps. Most DZOs in Germany would have a word with you at least... See DFV WL Chart ("Erfahrene (über 600 Sprünge) können nach Schulung einen WL über 1,50 springen") Just wanted to say... The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Throttlebender 0 #40 February 10, 2011 My wife jumps a Sabre2 150 and I like it but I'm looking for something a bit larger and I like Safire and Pilot for their reputation for soft/on heading openings.Life expands or contracts in proportion to one's courage. ~Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Throttlebender 0 #41 February 10, 2011 Ugh! Don't tell me that Life expands or contracts in proportion to one's courage. ~Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #42 February 11, 2011 German with mad skillz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3y_7y2TxVUReplying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #43 February 11, 2011 I have an "original" Safire (not a Safire 2) 189 (which means, for those in-the-know, that it is ACTUALLY a 174 ) I might be willing, or be able to be convinced to part with. @750-800 total jumps on it, but a brand new (under 50 jumps) lineset on it. Short of becoming a classified ad within a post here (verbotten) - simply PM me if you are interested. BS, -Grant coitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Throttlebender 0 #44 February 11, 2011 Thanks Grant but I kinda have my heart set on a Safire2. Blues back at ya Life expands or contracts in proportion to one's courage. ~Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ozzy13 0 #45 February 11, 2011 QuoteGerman with mad skillz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3y_7y2TxVU I almost fell of my chair..Never give the gates up and always trust your rears! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abedy 0 #46 February 12, 2011 Quote German with mad skillz http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3y_7y2TxVU Huhu, laughed my bum off The sky is not the limit. The ground is. The Society of Skydiving Ducks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aaroncosbey 0 #47 February 12, 2011 I'll keep my 149 for WS stuff when I get an XFire... It's good :) Didn't fancy a sabre because of their openings. Safire 2 + www.compal.be mag bag = perfection! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pinkfairy 0 #48 February 12, 2011 I tried a Safire2 after having flown a Pilot for a couple of hundred jumps. It was so much like the Pilot that I didn't bother to switch models, I just got a smaller Pilot instead. And I'm gonna fly it till the fabric disintegrates! Relax, you can die if you mess up, but it will probably not be by bullet. I'm a BIG, TOUGH BIGWAY FORMATION SKYDIVER! What are you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Throttlebender 0 #49 February 13, 2011 Interesting. I've put several jumps on two different pilots, and while I'm a big fan of the canopy, I do feel like I'd like a bit more flare compared to some of the other caopies I've jumped(storm, sabre2, stiletto). I'm also a deep flarer and go all the way to the bottom of the stroke, so I don't think that was the problem. Anyway, the reason I decided to try the Safire2 is that I've heard numerous times that the flare is really nice; even better than the pilot. Was that not your experience?Life expands or contracts in proportion to one's courage. ~Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #50 February 20, 2011 Quote Wow, WL >1,6 at ~300 jumps. Most DZOs in Germany would have a word with you at least... See DFV WL Chart ("Erfahrene (über 600 Sprünge) können nach Schulung einen WL über 1,50 springen") Just wanted to say... altough i didnt want to, now i kinda have to answer.. the DZO we used to have, actually IS german; he also used to be heavily involved in canopy-piloting competition, as well as developing canopies, or at least in test-jumping new canopies.. guy with about 15'000 jumps, i did the canopy-course with him, and "back in the days", i sure wasnt god's gift to canopy-piloting.. i made some efforst to get "up to speed"; and for my dz, i'm actually on the conservative side.. i was at another dz this weekend, and yea, even tough i think i may be on the more progressive side of things percepted around here, even on my "normal" dz.. mhm, i think i'm not doing too bad.. anyway, to each their own, and if a dzo thinks he has to have a word with me previously to have seen me fly or whatever.. i dont think that's a place i would want to be jumping at! recently a buddy of mine mentioned that i became of a ruthless badass to a sort of competent skydiver, that does in fact know his boundaries and.. gosh, now i start sounding like one of those nazi's, and i fucking dont like it! maybe i should skip the XF and just order a 90 velo.. now that would be badass again! you know, i got a reputation to upkeep! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
