KevinP 0 #1 February 7, 2011 It seems that the "ASP" is a popular substitute for the AFF. Do those tandem jumps taken as part of that program count toward your jump totals? Thanks.Sincerely, Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyShawn 0 #2 February 7, 2011 If you jumped out of a plane, its a jump. I counted my tandem that I did 10 years ago. Im up to a whopping 8 jumps now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLIDEANGLE 1 #3 February 7, 2011 I am pretty confident that you will find tandems counted as part of jump count totals in all US instructional programs. While tandems will likely count toward totals, your progression through an instructional program is driven by meeting objectives, not jump count.The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain1976 0 #4 February 7, 2011 QuoteI am pretty confident that you will find tandems counted as part of jump count totals in all US instructional programs. As it should be. Even aircraft flight training is logged by both the student and instructor.You live more in the few minutes of skydiving than many people live in their lifetime Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinP 0 #5 February 7, 2011 Thanks for the input. I guess I already have an entry for the logbook. I did a tandem March of last year. :) That's 1!! Quote While tandems will likely count toward totals, your progression through an instructional program is driven by meeting objectives, not jump count. And I totally understand that. Heck, I wouldn't want to progress based on numbers alone. This is dangerous business and I don't take it lightly. Yes, I may be a little frustrated if I get hung up on a level, but better that than burn in at 50mph under a flailing canopy I wasn't ready to correct because I had "enough jumps" to advance. Thanks!!Sincerely, Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #6 February 7, 2011 Quote Thanks for the input. I guess I already have an entry for the logbook. I did a tandem March of last year. :) That's 1!! That's BEER [Beer]"Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GLIDEANGLE 1 #7 February 7, 2011 Quote Thanks for the input. I guess I already have an entry for the logbook. I did a tandem March of last year. :) That's 1!! Here is your challenge with that.... Who will sign your logbook for that jump last March?The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinP 0 #8 February 7, 2011 Quote Here is your challenge with that.... Who will sign your logbook for that jump last March? Hmm. Good point. All I got for it was a certificate. But anyone could produce one of those. Not a big deal. It's only one.Sincerely, Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinP 0 #9 February 7, 2011 Quote That's BEER [Beer] Hahaha, well, if you find me one day, remind me and I will pay up.Sincerely, Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
buff 0 #10 February 7, 2011 Yes they count toward your 25 A license minimum. And when you are licensed, if you ride front for a TI candidate, that counts double as it will scare the hell out of you. It's called the Hillbilly Hop N Pop dude. If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough. That's fucked up. Watermelons do not grow on trees! ~Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #11 February 7, 2011 Years ago they were not supposed to count. Back then the "A" license was 20 jumps. With tandem growing in popularity, the rules were changed and tandems now counted. The "A" license went to 25 jumps. As for who would sign your logbook for that jump..... I would. If you have a certificate, you have just as much info as a logbook entry. QuoteBut anyone could produce one of those. Anyone could forge a logbook entry."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #12 February 7, 2011 Quote Yes they count toward your 25 A license minimum. And when you are licensed, if you ride front for a TI candidate, that counts double as it will scare the hell out of you. Well . . . I think you need 100 jumps total, too, before you get to do that. And yes, it does scare the hell out of you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #13 February 7, 2011 Quote Anyone could forge a logbook entry. NO WAY!I was surprised at Perris a few years ago when filling out the waivers that they wanted to see my log book, which I leave at home. I thought my USPA card with 3000+ jumps would be sufficient. They said they wanted to make sure I was current. Somehow a few anonymous ink scratches on a piece of paper don't really prove much to me. I'm sure more than one jumper has logged a recurrency jump or two sitting in their car in the parking lot.They called my home DZ and the DZO vouched I was current. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #14 February 7, 2011 Quote Somehow a few anonymous ink scratches on a piece of paper don't really prove much to me. I'm sure more than one jumper has logged a recurrency jump or two sitting in their car in the parking lot.Laugh They called my home DZ and the DZO vouched I was current. My favorite "logbook" story involved me being at a DZ near a military post that I was at for a school. Anyway, I didn't bring anything since I didn't think I would have much free time. To my surprise I had weekends off. So I borrowed stuff from a buddy and headed out to a local DZ. I showed up with a US team rig, jumpsuit, goggles, alti, and a USPA card showing gold wings and several Instructor ratings..... But without a logbook they were not going to let me jump. I offered to unpack and repack the main, answer any questions, offer to let them call my home DZ... Nothing was going to work. They said no. Right then I look at the counter and they had a Parachutist (see attached). I say, that's me on the right side. If you look inside you will see it lists me by name as one of the jumpers. The counter person looks at the photo, looks at me, looks at the photo, looks inside, looks at me, looks at the photo, looks back at me and says, "can you make load 2?" "No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
liftedtitan 0 #15 February 7, 2011 great story! I have also heard of buddies (maybe back in the day) making phony log books for friends and taking them to the DZ and jumping! Thats ballsy!Moriuntur omnes, sed non omnes vixerunt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #16 February 7, 2011 Quote They called my home DZ and the DZO vouched I was current. So...they failed to squeeze money out of you for a recurrency/coach jump, eh?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #17 February 7, 2011 QuoteYes they count toward your 25 A license minimum. And when you are licensed, if you ride front for a TI candidate, that counts double as it will scare the hell out of you. You nailed that.. I'd suggest triple though.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #18 February 7, 2011 Quote If you have a certificate, you have just as much info as a logbook entry. As it pertains to tandem jumps, here's a major pet peeve of mine: Actual training jumps through the Tandem Progression method regardless of what acronym you use to describe it... TI's who don't do logbooks or only put "Good Job!" in it. Nothing useful to neither the jumper NOR the next instructor. You TIs doing training jumps..PUT SOME USEFUL SHIT IN THE THEIR LOGBOOK!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #19 February 7, 2011 Quote Quote Yes they count toward your 25 A license minimum. And when you are licensed, if you ride front for a TI candidate, that counts double as it will scare the hell out of you. You nailed that.. I'd suggest triple though. You get 3 points for doing it. You get -50 points for even thinking about it in the first place. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinP 0 #20 February 7, 2011 Quote ... more than one jumper has logged a recurrency jump or two sitting in their car in the parking lot. That's pretty pathetic. At least in my opinion.Sincerely, Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #21 February 8, 2011 Oh, I agree with you. However, when someone is a good jumper and has thousands of jumps, currency is not as much of a problem as for someone with single or double digit # of jumps. At some point, they should take my word for it that I'm good to go.What I really hate is people who claim a lot more jumps than they really have, for what ever reason. I made and logged mine the hard way. They should too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KevinP 0 #22 February 8, 2011 I see. And I totally agree. When I read what you wrote, I envisioned someone who really should get a refresher fluffing their logbook to save whatever trouble and money it would take. But when you put it in the terms of 1000+, that kinda makes it different. HahaSincerely, Kevin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
