Mangiapane85 0 #1 July 8, 2010 Hello all, I'm a new member of the site, although I have been reading it for a while now. I'm going to be starting my skydiving career in a couple or three weeks and the school I'll be going to (which conveniently enough is just a few miles from where I reside) offers an IAD course as an alternative to AFF. It doesn't get u to the license as quick as aff but it's much more cost effective, and that's my primary concern. I'm without a job as of the moment, but I have the fever to get up there for my first time, I simply can't wait anymore. So... What's everyones thoughts on iad vs aff? Pros/cons, etc. Any input would be greatly appreciated. :) oh, and great site you have here. Cheers.-FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #2 July 8, 2010 With the USPA, 25 jumps is the minimum for an 'A' license so it shouldn't take any more jumps with one vs the other. I think IAD often produces better canopy pilots, and that's a big deal since that's the biggest area of risk of injury and/or death. IAD is often done at DZ's operating smaller aircraft, so you may be in for a bit of a shock when you travel to a busy DZ, but briefings and caution can mitigate this. Cost can be a factor, and if it is, take the route that's going to leave you with more options once training is over. Money saved can go towards gear, and more jumps. Have fun either way!---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #3 July 8, 2010 I like IAD, probably because that's how I learned, but also because you'll be concentrating on what saves your life, flying the canopy. You can make a couple IAD jumps a week for the cost of one AFF jump. I wonder if the number of fatalities under good parachutes went up as the push for AFF over staticline began. It probably has more to do with the invention of ZP material, but it seems like quite the coincidence to me."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangiapane85 0 #4 July 8, 2010 Thanks alot for the quick, knowledgeable response. Since you brought up gear, are there any RELIABLE places that offer used gear? If not, I don't wanna risk it with an unknown seller. And also, I realize this is a foolish question and I most likely couldve found the answer by searching further, but, what is PLF? I know it's something to do with the landing. But what's the acronym stand for? Thanks again. Edit: To the last poster; Thats what i was thinking as well. The DZ where im going charges 160 for the first IAD jump, which includes the 4 hours jump school. Then its only 76 bucks for every jump afterwards up until the coaching phase of the licensing process. Seems much less expensive than aff. And i definitely agree about the advantage of being able to focus on canopy control because from what ive gathered, thats the trickiest and possibly the most dangerous part of it all. And lastly, disregard the plf question. I found out what it means.-FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #5 July 8, 2010 Don't worry about gear yet. You will be jumping their gear for a while. Most IAD based DZs need packers. If you are keen and don't mind hanging around you can probably help pay for your course by packing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peek 21 #6 July 8, 2010 QuoteIt [IAD or Static Line] doesn't get you to the license as quick as aff but it's much more cost effective... Actually that depends on the particular dropzone's facilities, equipment, and staff availability. And it depends on what you mean by "quicker". Calendar time? Freefall time? There are a lot of variables. In the end of course, it is what you are willing to pay for and do. They are all good. Have fun learning! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangiapane85 0 #7 July 8, 2010 Quote If you are keen and don't mind hanging around you can probably help pay for your course by packing. Right on. Yeah i had that in mind already. I am willing to do whatever it takes to totally immerse myself in this. Ive literally been dreaming about it for a while now. I can't imagine what it'll be like after i actually jump. lol Thanks again guys. edit: Peek, i was referring to calendar time. I realize there's very limited free fall time with the IAD for the first several jumps.-FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #8 July 8, 2010 "... what is PLF?" ...................................................................... Parachute Landing Fall ... sort of like a judo roll, except you keep your arms tucked in close to your sides. PF was invented during World War Two (Ringway, UK) as a means of reducing landing injuries to paratroopers landing under round parachutes. Since modern square parachutes land a lot softer, many civilian schools teach vastly simplified versions of PLFs, however, the basics remain the same: feet and knees together, eyes on the horizon and prepare to roll. A good PLF includes all seven points of contact: balls of the feet, calves, thighs, buttocks and diagonally across the back. Whether your hands are held high or low depends upon which type of parachute you are jumping. Which gets us to a reminder that you only learn a little off the internet, and you would be far wiser to listen carefully to local instructors. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #9 July 8, 2010 QuoteThanks alot for the quick, knowledgeable response. Since you brought up gear, are there any RELIABLE places that offer used gear? If not, I don't wanna risk it with an unknown seller. ..." ...................................................................... Your question has been answered several times before on these forums, but the main point is that all deals involving second-hand parachutes should include a full inspection - by a Master Parachute Rigger - before money changes hands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyMarko 1 #10 July 8, 2010 I did IAD, mostly for cost, but I thought it was great! One step at a time, rather than AFF which gives you everything at once. Had everything on my proficiency card checked off by jump 19 (obviously not the 25 jumps). IAD is the way to go for a cheap, steady progression into a life changing sport Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites e_nevett 0 #11 July 8, 2010 Get a job dude!! you will need it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mangiapane85 0 #12 July 8, 2010 Yes, I realize I will need a job in order to maintain a good pace of evolution in the sport. My eventual goal is to get to basejumping and terrain wingsuit flying, which will be an even more expensive hobby. I'm young though and have plenty of time. And to the poster that gave the info on plf, thank you.-FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnnyMarko 1 #13 July 9, 2010 Quote My eventual goal is to get to basejumping and terrain wingsuit flying, which will be an even more expensive hobby.. Oooooooooo shit....you shouldnt have said that...just wait for the shit storm that could ensue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mangiapane85 0 #14 July 9, 2010 Well its not like i would totally forego the skydiving. Its two totally different things i think. It would definitely help with the "burnout" factor though. Sorry if it creates a raucous though. Whats the deal w/ basejumping though. Skydivers look down upon them or what? Just curious. -FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #15 July 9, 2010 Quote Well its not like i would totally forego the skydiving. Its two totally different things i think. It would definitely help with the "burnout" factor though. Sorry if it creates a raucous though. Whats the deal w/ basejumping though. Skydivers look down upon them or what? Just curious. Story goes, one day, years ago... skydivers were looking up at an 1800' cloud base, there was alcohol involved, a couple skygods got into an arguement and one of them told the other, if so-and-so jumped off a bridge, would you? Another extreme sport was born that day."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fastphil 0 #16 July 9, 2010 Quote Well its not like i would totally forego the skydiving. Its two totally different things i think. It would definitely help with the "burnout" factor though. Sorry if it creates a raucous though. Whats the deal w/ basejumping though. Skydivers look down upon them or what? Just curious. BASE is practiced almost entirely by skydivers, but from what I've witnessed skydivers mostly look UP on BASE jumpers (from under the launch point) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites steveorino 7 #17 July 9, 2010 I started IAD. I got to 13 jumps (I was on 10 second delays) and was chipping all over the sky. My instructor (who had the total of about 150 jumps) told me to relax. This was his input from the plane as I fell from his view. I was about ready to quit skydiving as I was very uncomfortable at pull time as I chipped across the sky. But I called a buddy who said to come to his DZ which offered AFF. I did and the immediate feedback I received from the AFF instructors (with 1000s of jumps) relaxed me in the sky and I was able to complete the AFF in the minimal # of jumps. Now I am an AFF Instructor and an IAD Instrucor. Both have their advantages, but if you are more of a kinetic learner as I am, you may find AFF the way to go ... I sure did! Welcome to the "club" steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #18 July 9, 2010 Just understand that many instructors have seen the "I wanna go fast, skip a bunch of steps, I'm better than the rest, you're holding me back, recognize my madskillz" type of person, who have said the exact same thing you just said. Most of them have not been ready for what they have tried, some have been hurt, some have been killed. I am not saying you are that type, I have no way of telling. But you'll impress your instructors if you keep those desires pretty quiet for a while. If you don't appear to be a glory hound you'll impress them. If you show thought and caution, understanding that the road to your goal is not fast, and takes effort, then you'll probably find them helpful. Become friends with them, and don't turn away from them simply because after you have a license they don't always tell you what you want to hear. Good luck. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #19 July 9, 2010 QuoteI started IAD. I got to 13 jumps (I was on 10 second delays) and was chipping all over the sky. My instructor (who had the total of about 150 jumps) told me to relax. This was his input from the plane as a fell from his view. I was about ready to quit skydiving as I was very uncomfortable at pull time as I chipped across the sky. But I called a buddy who said to come to his DZ which offered AFF. I did and the immediate feedback I received from the AFF instructors (with 1000s of jumps) relaxed me in the sky and I was able to complete the AFF in the minimal # of jumps. Now I am an AFF Instructor and an IAD Instrucor. Both have their advantages, but if you are more of a kinetic learner as I am, you may find AFF the way to go ... I sure did! Welcome to the "club" That was almost exactly my experience as a S/L progression student over 30 years ago, when that was the only method used. Lots of unstable 5 & 10 second delays. By the time the brain & body have had several seconds in freefall to settle down, it's pull time, so there's no reinforcement of stable fall. With all the door fear and sensory overload experienced by students, relaxing is the last thing they can do, so merely telling them "relax" and then having them repeat short delays is useless to the point of stupid. It's worse than useless; it enhances the student's discouragement. After my first couple of hop & pops after getting off the S/L, some AFF-type jumps would have been just what I needed. That's why, to this day, I think a hybrid program (maybe 1 tandem; a few SL or IAD & a first freefall h&p, then transition over to AFF) is the way to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #20 July 9, 2010 QuoteThat's why, to this day, I think a hybrid program (maybe 1 tandem; a few SL or IAD & a first freefall h&p, then transition over to AFF) is the way to go. I've been thinking this for a few years. I'd like 2 or 3 tandems, 3 to 4 SL/IAD, and 3 to 4 AFF. Best of all worlds.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mutumbo 0 #21 July 9, 2010 Quotet Become friends with them, and don't turn away from them simply because after you have a license they don't always tell you what you want to hear. Probably the best advice one can get. Seriously, making friends with GOOD skydivers, not the ones that are in and out of the hospital every few months because they hooked it into the ground for the 4th time this year, or are constantly being grounded for pulling low or other shenanigans will go a long way to having a long and successful career in this sport. . . oh and like he said, LISTEN to them, even if its what you dont want to hear, sucks i know, but its in your best interest.Thanatos340(on landing rounds)-- Landing procedure: Hand all the way up, Feet and Knees Together and PLF soon as you get bitch slapped by a planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kuai43 7 #22 July 9, 2010 Quote Quote My eventual goal is to get to basejumping and terrain wingsuit flying, which will be an even more expensive hobby.. Oooooooooo shit....you shouldnt have said that...just wait for the shit storm that could ensue You're definitely gonna want to add a camera to all that. Every fight is a food fight if you're a cannibal Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man. - Anthony Burgess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mangiapane85 0 #23 July 9, 2010 I thought this thread was dead lol. I'm goin down to my dz in just a few minutes to spectate and mingle w the jumpers, instructors, etc. It's five mi utes away, so why not? Btw, peek if you read this, thank you for the input. :) To the guy that was comparing me to the embarrassing newbie (as opposed to the NOT so embarrassing ones lol), I appreciate the advice, but I have a pretty level head on my shoulders and am definitely aware of my limitations. It takes a minimum of 100 sky jumps to be even considered for base FJC I believe, so yeah, I'm in no hurry to go jump off the Khalifa tower in Dubai or anything.... Althooouugh jk As far as the IAD vs AFF, i was actually thinking of doing aff 1-3 then finishing with IAD for the rest, since they all are credited to obtaining your license. At least then i'll have a little more comfort once i start doing the progressive freefall in IAD. I'm not overly concerned about the 90 degree turns and loops, I think i understand (although when the pressures on, I could freeze up for all i know... most likely not though, im pretty confident.) the fundamentals of that. But i've been almost obssessively watching videos on the net of experienced jumpers, aff students and IAD students, and obviously theres a huge difference from the three (duh), but IAD seems like it would almost be the most scary method of deployment just based on the fact you dont the instructors right by your side acting as somewhat of a crutch. You're all alone. Im gonna talk to the coachs at the DZ today and get their input on it all. Either way, I cant freaking WAIT!! Thanks again everyone for the ongoing input/advice. -FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #24 July 9, 2010 QuoteAs far as the IAD vs AFF, i was actually thinking of doing aff 1-3 then finishing with IAD for the rest, since they all are credited to obtaining your license. I'd go the other way if possible. Why try to learn everything all at once? Do a couple IAD's and learn to fly and land a parachute without the distraction of freefall.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Mangiapane85 0 #25 July 9, 2010 Good point. I'm still thinking that iad is the most cost effective way to get to the license, but u gotta pretty much figure everything out on ur own once ur up there as far as I can tell. 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JohnnyMarko 1 #10 July 8, 2010 I did IAD, mostly for cost, but I thought it was great! One step at a time, rather than AFF which gives you everything at once. Had everything on my proficiency card checked off by jump 19 (obviously not the 25 jumps). IAD is the way to go for a cheap, steady progression into a life changing sport Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
e_nevett 0 #11 July 8, 2010 Get a job dude!! you will need it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangiapane85 0 #12 July 8, 2010 Yes, I realize I will need a job in order to maintain a good pace of evolution in the sport. My eventual goal is to get to basejumping and terrain wingsuit flying, which will be an even more expensive hobby. I'm young though and have plenty of time. And to the poster that gave the info on plf, thank you.-FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #13 July 9, 2010 Quote My eventual goal is to get to basejumping and terrain wingsuit flying, which will be an even more expensive hobby.. Oooooooooo shit....you shouldnt have said that...just wait for the shit storm that could ensue Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangiapane85 0 #14 July 9, 2010 Well its not like i would totally forego the skydiving. Its two totally different things i think. It would definitely help with the "burnout" factor though. Sorry if it creates a raucous though. Whats the deal w/ basejumping though. Skydivers look down upon them or what? Just curious. -FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #15 July 9, 2010 Quote Well its not like i would totally forego the skydiving. Its two totally different things i think. It would definitely help with the "burnout" factor though. Sorry if it creates a raucous though. Whats the deal w/ basejumping though. Skydivers look down upon them or what? Just curious. Story goes, one day, years ago... skydivers were looking up at an 1800' cloud base, there was alcohol involved, a couple skygods got into an arguement and one of them told the other, if so-and-so jumped off a bridge, would you? Another extreme sport was born that day."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fastphil 0 #16 July 9, 2010 Quote Well its not like i would totally forego the skydiving. Its two totally different things i think. It would definitely help with the "burnout" factor though. Sorry if it creates a raucous though. Whats the deal w/ basejumping though. Skydivers look down upon them or what? Just curious. BASE is practiced almost entirely by skydivers, but from what I've witnessed skydivers mostly look UP on BASE jumpers (from under the launch point) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steveorino 7 #17 July 9, 2010 I started IAD. I got to 13 jumps (I was on 10 second delays) and was chipping all over the sky. My instructor (who had the total of about 150 jumps) told me to relax. This was his input from the plane as I fell from his view. I was about ready to quit skydiving as I was very uncomfortable at pull time as I chipped across the sky. But I called a buddy who said to come to his DZ which offered AFF. I did and the immediate feedback I received from the AFF instructors (with 1000s of jumps) relaxed me in the sky and I was able to complete the AFF in the minimal # of jumps. Now I am an AFF Instructor and an IAD Instrucor. Both have their advantages, but if you are more of a kinetic learner as I am, you may find AFF the way to go ... I sure did! Welcome to the "club" steveOrino Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #18 July 9, 2010 Just understand that many instructors have seen the "I wanna go fast, skip a bunch of steps, I'm better than the rest, you're holding me back, recognize my madskillz" type of person, who have said the exact same thing you just said. Most of them have not been ready for what they have tried, some have been hurt, some have been killed. I am not saying you are that type, I have no way of telling. But you'll impress your instructors if you keep those desires pretty quiet for a while. If you don't appear to be a glory hound you'll impress them. If you show thought and caution, understanding that the road to your goal is not fast, and takes effort, then you'll probably find them helpful. Become friends with them, and don't turn away from them simply because after you have a license they don't always tell you what you want to hear. Good luck. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #19 July 9, 2010 QuoteI started IAD. I got to 13 jumps (I was on 10 second delays) and was chipping all over the sky. My instructor (who had the total of about 150 jumps) told me to relax. This was his input from the plane as a fell from his view. I was about ready to quit skydiving as I was very uncomfortable at pull time as I chipped across the sky. But I called a buddy who said to come to his DZ which offered AFF. I did and the immediate feedback I received from the AFF instructors (with 1000s of jumps) relaxed me in the sky and I was able to complete the AFF in the minimal # of jumps. Now I am an AFF Instructor and an IAD Instrucor. Both have their advantages, but if you are more of a kinetic learner as I am, you may find AFF the way to go ... I sure did! Welcome to the "club" That was almost exactly my experience as a S/L progression student over 30 years ago, when that was the only method used. Lots of unstable 5 & 10 second delays. By the time the brain & body have had several seconds in freefall to settle down, it's pull time, so there's no reinforcement of stable fall. With all the door fear and sensory overload experienced by students, relaxing is the last thing they can do, so merely telling them "relax" and then having them repeat short delays is useless to the point of stupid. It's worse than useless; it enhances the student's discouragement. After my first couple of hop & pops after getting off the S/L, some AFF-type jumps would have been just what I needed. That's why, to this day, I think a hybrid program (maybe 1 tandem; a few SL or IAD & a first freefall h&p, then transition over to AFF) is the way to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #20 July 9, 2010 QuoteThat's why, to this day, I think a hybrid program (maybe 1 tandem; a few SL or IAD & a first freefall h&p, then transition over to AFF) is the way to go. I've been thinking this for a few years. I'd like 2 or 3 tandems, 3 to 4 SL/IAD, and 3 to 4 AFF. Best of all worlds.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mutumbo 0 #21 July 9, 2010 Quotet Become friends with them, and don't turn away from them simply because after you have a license they don't always tell you what you want to hear. Probably the best advice one can get. Seriously, making friends with GOOD skydivers, not the ones that are in and out of the hospital every few months because they hooked it into the ground for the 4th time this year, or are constantly being grounded for pulling low or other shenanigans will go a long way to having a long and successful career in this sport. . . oh and like he said, LISTEN to them, even if its what you dont want to hear, sucks i know, but its in your best interest.Thanatos340(on landing rounds)-- Landing procedure: Hand all the way up, Feet and Knees Together and PLF soon as you get bitch slapped by a planet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kuai43 7 #22 July 9, 2010 Quote Quote My eventual goal is to get to basejumping and terrain wingsuit flying, which will be an even more expensive hobby.. Oooooooooo shit....you shouldnt have said that...just wait for the shit storm that could ensue You're definitely gonna want to add a camera to all that. Every fight is a food fight if you're a cannibal Goodness is something to be chosen. When a man cannot choose, he ceases to be a man. - Anthony Burgess Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangiapane85 0 #23 July 9, 2010 I thought this thread was dead lol. I'm goin down to my dz in just a few minutes to spectate and mingle w the jumpers, instructors, etc. It's five mi utes away, so why not? Btw, peek if you read this, thank you for the input. :) To the guy that was comparing me to the embarrassing newbie (as opposed to the NOT so embarrassing ones lol), I appreciate the advice, but I have a pretty level head on my shoulders and am definitely aware of my limitations. It takes a minimum of 100 sky jumps to be even considered for base FJC I believe, so yeah, I'm in no hurry to go jump off the Khalifa tower in Dubai or anything.... Althooouugh jk As far as the IAD vs AFF, i was actually thinking of doing aff 1-3 then finishing with IAD for the rest, since they all are credited to obtaining your license. At least then i'll have a little more comfort once i start doing the progressive freefall in IAD. I'm not overly concerned about the 90 degree turns and loops, I think i understand (although when the pressures on, I could freeze up for all i know... most likely not though, im pretty confident.) the fundamentals of that. But i've been almost obssessively watching videos on the net of experienced jumpers, aff students and IAD students, and obviously theres a huge difference from the three (duh), but IAD seems like it would almost be the most scary method of deployment just based on the fact you dont the instructors right by your side acting as somewhat of a crutch. You're all alone. Im gonna talk to the coachs at the DZ today and get their input on it all. Either way, I cant freaking WAIT!! Thanks again everyone for the ongoing input/advice. -FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #24 July 9, 2010 QuoteAs far as the IAD vs AFF, i was actually thinking of doing aff 1-3 then finishing with IAD for the rest, since they all are credited to obtaining your license. I'd go the other way if possible. Why try to learn everything all at once? Do a couple IAD's and learn to fly and land a parachute without the distraction of freefall.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mangiapane85 0 #25 July 9, 2010 Good point. I'm still thinking that iad is the most cost effective way to get to the license, but u gotta pretty much figure everything out on ur own once ur up there as far as I can tell. Which I guess forces you NOT to mess up lol!-FEAR IS TEMPORARY...REGRET IS FOREVER! -"People living deeply have no fear of death"- Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
