LouDiamond 1 #1 December 15, 2010 Well not quite yet, but DARPA is working on it. Read more about how DARPA is working on developing an inhaled drug to increase performance for troops at high altitudes. Read about it HERE The potential trickle down from this could potentially be seen on DZ's one day in the future, who knows."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhys 0 #2 December 15, 2010 What, synthesising oxygen? QuoteThat’s an adaptive process the human body is already capable of, but the necessary acclimatization can take weeks. Dr. Jonathan Stamler, who’s leading the research at Case Western, says the drugs will essentially do what we already can. “We’re essentially mimicking nature here,” he tells Danger Room. “Take people climbing mountains, who will set up base camps at varying altitudes to give their bodies time to adjust. We’re making these mechanisms much, much more acute — a matter of minutes, rather than days.” If you can carry enough oxygen you do not need to aclimatise, no?"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, then the world will see peace." - 'Jimi' Hendrix Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,326 #3 December 15, 2010 Just chew some Coco leaves. Now, cut me a check for 4.7 mil and get back to work. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #4 December 15, 2010 Well, the government invented Meth...so why not trust them ?BUT, all jokes aside...I see new world skydiving records Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #5 December 15, 2010 A long time ago a friend and climbing partner got his hands on some Diamox. It is given to climbers/patients up on Everest and the likes to increase oxygen absorbtion. We had planned a night on the summit of Mt Whitney, 14,505', so he took a dose. He ended up spending almost the entire night running in place, doing jumping jacks, pacing, etc. He said that stuff was real powerful and would never touch it again. He better not cuz I was gonna brain him if he kept me up like that again! jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #6 December 15, 2010 Quote Well, the government invented Meth...so why not trust them ?BUT, all jokes aside...I see new world skydiving records meth was originally invented by the GERMANS.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #7 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Well, the government invented Meth...so why not trust them ?BUT, all jokes aside...I see new world skydiving records meth was originally invented by the GERMANS.. WRONG... The Germans first commercialised it in 1938.. But a japanese (Akira Ogata) synthesized it first in 1919 (according to wikipedia)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #8 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Well, the government invented Meth...so why not trust them ?BUT, all jokes aside...I see new world skydiving records meth was originally invented by the GERMANS.. WRONG... The Germans first commercialised it in 1938.. But a japanese (Akira Ogata) synthesized it first in 1919 (according to wikipedia) fair enough; i was thinking about the commercialising.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #9 December 15, 2010 QuoteA long time ago a friend and climbing partner got his hands on some Diamox. It is given to climbers/patients up on Everest and the likes to increase oxygen absorbtion. We had planned a night on the summit of Mt Whitney, 14,505', so he took a dose. He ended up spending almost the entire night running in place, doing jumping jacks, pacing, etc. He said that stuff was real powerful and would never touch it again. He better not cuz I was gonna brain him if he kept me up like that again! jon Sounds like just a dosage issue. I would be curious to know what the back side of the episode is like. This would be particularly important on a long campaign like Everest, or a week long bigway record attempt. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #10 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Well, the government invented Meth...so why not trust them ?BUT, all jokes aside...I see new world skydiving records meth was originally invented by the GERMANS.. records say US army! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #11 December 15, 2010 QuoteSounds like just a dosage issue. I would be curious to know what the back side of the episode is like. This would be particularly important on a long campaign like Everest, or a week long bigway record attempt. He was a pathologist in LA who got a doc friend to write him a scrip. No dosage instructions as the doc didn't know any more than my buddy. Funny now but he was pretty un-nerved at the time and had a miserable night and day after. jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IanHarrop 42 #12 December 15, 2010 Reading that I noticed another article that was interesting to read WARNING: Massive thread drift here... could end up in SC http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/12/pentagon-zombie-pigs-first-then-hibernating-gis/ "Where troubles melt like lemon drops, away above the chimney tops, that's where you'll find me" Dorothy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #13 December 15, 2010 Quote Quote Quote Well, the government invented Meth...so why not trust them ?BUT, all jokes aside...I see new world skydiving records meth was originally invented by the GERMANS.. WRONG... The Germans first commercialised it in 1938.. But a japanese (Akira Ogata) synthesized it first in 1919 (according to wikipedia) Ah! Speaking of the Axis, the Italians did NOT invent spaghetti. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #14 December 16, 2010 Hypoxia is caused by a reduction in ambient pressure. I can’t see where inhaling a drug is going to increase that pressure allowing exchange of O2/CO2. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #15 December 16, 2010 QuoteHypoxia is caused by a reduction in ambient pressure. I can’t see where inhaling a drug is going to increase that pressure allowing exchange of O2/CO2. Sparky Change the chemical/molecular structure of those cells that exchange oxygen and CO2 and maybe it'll happen more readily at lower pressures. Is that their thinking? Or is there another compound/chemical one can take to enhance that ability? jon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #16 December 16, 2010 back in the day ....... Even Marine Boy - had Oxygum (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #17 December 16, 2010 Quoterecords say US army!QuoteMethamphetamine was first synthesized from ephedrine in Japan in 1893 by chemist Nagai Nagayoshi.[8] In 1919, crystallized methamphetamine was synthesized by Akira Ogata via reduction of ephedrine using red phosphorus and iodine. In 1943, Abbott Laboratories requested for its approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for the treatment of narcolepsy, mild depression, postencephalitic parkinsonism, chronic alcoholism, cerebral arteriosclerosis, and hay fever. Methamphetamine was approved for all of these indications in December, 1944. All of these indication approvals were eventually removed[9] from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetaminescissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cpoxon 0 #18 December 16, 2010 All very interesting but nothing to do with this thead.Skydiving Fatalities - Cease not to learn 'til thou cease to live Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LouDiamond 1 #19 December 16, 2010 QuoteHypoxia is caused by a reduction in ambient pressure. I can’t see where inhaling a drug is going to increase that pressure allowing exchange of O2/CO2. Sparky Did you read the article I linked to? It explains how they hope to achieve this."It's just skydiving..additional drama is not required" Some people dream about flying, I live my dream SKYMONKEY PUBLISHING Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #20 December 16, 2010 >Hypoxia is caused by a reduction in ambient pressure. It's actually caused by a failure to deliver enough oxygen to your tissues. It can be caused by: -restricted blood supply -lower atmospheric pressure -higher pressure but lower ppO2 (i.e. exotic dive mixes) -medical problems (low hemoglobin count) -changes in blood pH -problems with gas exchange in your lungs You can't increase the ppO2 your lungs get with a drug - but you can definitely affect the rest of the above via medical interventions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #21 December 16, 2010 Quote>Hypoxia is caused by a reduction in ambient pressure. It's actually caused by a failure to deliver enough oxygen to your tissues. It can be caused by: -restricted blood supply -lower atmospheric pressure -higher pressure but lower ppO2 (i.e. exotic dive mixes) -medical problems (low hemoglobin count) -changes in blood pH -problems with gas exchange in your lungs You can't increase the ppO2 your lungs get with a drug - but you can definitely affect the rest of the above via medical interventions. Actually there are 4 types of hypoxia. The one skydivers would be confronted with is #1 Hypoxic hypoxia. And that is caused by reduced pressure. 1. Hypoxic hypoxia results from an inadequate oxygenation of the arterial blood and is caused by reduced oxygen partial pressure. 2. Anemic hypoxia results from the reduced oxygen- carrying capacity of the blood, which may be due to blood loss, any of the anemias, carbon monoxide poisoning, or by drugs causing methemogiobinemia. 3. Stagnant hypoxia is caused by a circulatory malfunction which results, for example, from the venous pooling encountered during acceleration maneuvers. 4. Histofoxic hypoxia results from an inability of the cells to utilize the oxygen provided when the normal oxidation processes have been poisoned such as by cyanide. There is no oxygen lack in the tissues, but rather an inability to use available oxygen, with the result that the PO2 in the tissues may be higher than normal. Therefore, it is not true hypoxia by the definition used here. Source: US Navy Flight Surgeons Manual SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Staso 0 #22 January 13, 2011 QuoteQuoteSounds like just a dosage issue. I would be curious to know what the back side of the episode is like. This would be particularly important on a long campaign like Everest, or a week long bigway record attempt. He was a pathologist in LA who got a doc friend to write him a scrip. No dosage instructions as the doc didn't know any more than my buddy. Funny now but he was pretty un-nerved at the time and had a miserable night and day after. jon diamox is the sh*t when it comes to acclimatization. it doesn't replace it, but rather speeds it up by changing your blood chemistry (acidity). last may i went to north col of mnt. Everest and spend a night at 23k+ and diamox was a good help. the side effects - peeing more and beer doesn't taste very good. but it beats feeling like crap at the alti -- it's not about defying gravity; it's how hard you can abuse it. speed skydiving it is ... Speed Skydiving Forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
