guzman 0 #1 November 17, 2010 Hi all, First, please note that I'm not very sure that I'm in the right place for this post, I was hesitating between here and "Events & Places to jump", as my thread is partially related to skydive. But let's go anyway. My girlfriend and I are planning to spent a couple a week in Eloy, we're both jumping and we both want to do skydive and tunnel (not necessarily always at same time). And we're considering taking her 4 years old child with us or leaving him to his father. Does someone knows if there is something like child care in Eloy ? I already went there before but only for training purpose with my team mates, never in family. And I don't really remember having seen any child in the dropzone. I'm open to anybody thoughts and advice. Just to precise, we're coming to Eloy from France. Thanks Guzman Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #2 November 17, 2010 Just an Opinion, Leave the child with his father, the poor kid will be stressed out the whole time.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guzman 0 #3 November 17, 2010 Do you mean stressed to be in Eloy or stressed to be on a dropzone. Back in France He is quite used to spent time with us on dropzones, I'm an AFF instructor in France, and we are often a whole week on the dropzone, staying in a caravan. But of course, in France he knows everybody, and everybody know him, which won't be the same at Eloy (and of course he doesn't speak english ;) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #4 November 17, 2010 So you're flying from France to Arizona? Just a feeling, but I bet he'd be happier staying in France. Helluva long flight to take a 4 year old on. Been there done that. Wasn't fun. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #5 November 17, 2010 Follow the link and see attached. I think this is what you are looking for. Child care Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonstark 8 #6 November 17, 2010 Be sure to keep the car windows down a few inches. It gets pretty hot there. Maybe leave a couple juice boxes for him too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #7 November 17, 2010 I have been involved in skydiving and have know skydivers for a full 2/3 of my LIFE!!! and so i know that there can be some "class clowns".... and many,, with Silly senses of humor...and so i'll dismiss your post and (rather not so funny ) link.... sheesh.. The Original Poster asks a reasonable and legitimate question, regarding a Child,,, for whom he is not only showing concern but true guardianship..... and you Post ..... what you posted...For sure.. i can tell that You "ain't a father..." But since i AM,,, i'll encourage guzman to overlook your fraternity boy sense of humor.. I can't offer any information on the original question, and perhaps some of the Larger and Highly accomodating DZs May have some type of program,, with activities, and Adult supervison,, ( might not be a bad idea )... but to my knowledge most DZs do not.... I'd lean toward Billy's reply... If the child was 14 instead of 4,, maybe make it a trip for three,, But if the boy has another adult, local and in comfortable surroundings to the child, i'd say.. "give him a kiss and a hug,, say 'we'll see you soon', save the $$$ from his airline ticket to use for jumps,, and Go HAVE Fun... it could allow YOU to have a relaxing and unencumbered "grown Up vacation".." Take lots of pictures to share... for when you return...imo jmy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #8 November 17, 2010 Quote I have been involved in skydiving and have know skydivers for a full 2/3 of my LIFE!!! and so i know that there can be some "class clowns".... and many,, with Silly senses of humor...and so i'll dismiss your post and (rather not so funny ) link.... sheesh.. The Original Poster asks a reasonable and legitimate question, regarding a Child,,, for whom he is not only showing concern but true guardianship..... and you Post ..... what you posted...For sure.. i can tell that You "ain't a father..." But since i AM,,, i'll encourage guzman to overlook your fraternity boy sense of humor.. I can't offer any information on the original question, and perhaps some of the Larger and Highly accomodating DZs May have some type of program,, with activities, and Adult supervison,, ( might not be a bad idea )... but to my knowledge most DZs do not.... I'd lean toward Billy's reply... If the child was 14 instead of 4,, maybe make it a trip for three,, But if the boy has another adult, local and in comfortable surroundings to the child, i'd say.. "give him a kiss and a hug,, say 'we'll see you soon', save the $$$ from his airline ticket to use for jumps,, and Go HAVE Fun... it could allow YOU to have a relaxing and unencumbered "grown Up vacation".." Take lots of pictures to share... for when you return...imo jmy And I’ll overlook the stick up your ass. It was tongue in cheek. I in no way prevented the original poster from receiving good information from other posters in this thread. If you were as mature as you are trying to present yourself, you would have ignored my post. . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #9 November 17, 2010 ...ok i'll play... 'tongue in cheek' is one thing.. but suggesting putting a kid in a cage,, is ridiculous..... yeah yeah. he still got the advice from others,, but you sure present a less than attractive impression of USA skydivers..... i'll happily delete my post(s),,, if you do the same. If you really think my response indicates a stick up my ass... then you simply don't get it. jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #10 November 17, 2010 Quote...ok i'll play... 'tongue in cheek' is one thing.. but suggesting putting a kid in a cage,, is ridiculous..... yeah yeah. he still got the advice from others,, but you sure present a less than attractive impression of USA skydivers..... i'll happily delete my post(s),,, if you do the same. If you really think my response indicates a stick up my ass... then you simply don't get it. jt Just remember - I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #11 November 17, 2010 Quote if you do the same. If you really think my response indicates a stick up my ass... then you simply don't get it. jt[/reply This is the bonfire. I'd make the same suggestion standing around the DZ bonfire in good fun. If you gave me that response, I'd tell you to "go fuck yourself" with a smile on my face of course. In light of real child care suggestions around the area - it's hilarious. Relax Susan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #12 November 17, 2010 my name aint Susan and my instincts tell me that YOU'RE Not a parent either.... but since we ARE in bonfire..... i'll admit i jumped the gun on david3, and may have over reacted... that doesn't mean that i retract what i posted.. it just gives me a better idea.. of how people within our community are thinking........ i guess i'm not surprised..just kinda sad.....if that's what it is.. carry ON.. jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildcard451 0 #13 November 17, 2010 Quotemy name aint Susan and my instincts tell me that YOU'RE Not a parent either.... but since we ARE in bonfire..... i'll admit i jumped the gun on david3, and may have over reacted... that doesn't mean that i retract what i posted.. it just gives me a better idea.. of how people within our community are thinking........ i guess i'm not surprised..just kinda sad.....if that's what it is.. carry ON.. jt You don't ACTUALLY have a woman's name? Never would have guessed that. It was a joke. I am actually encouraged that most of the community isn't thinking like you. It would make for a boring sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #14 November 17, 2010 wow i give up... funny that no one has answered my question about whether they are parents or not.. boring sport???? cause of ME??? ... ask my DZ friends.. whether i bring "boring " to the DZ... or something the exact Opposite!!!!...edited to add... figured i'd delete my posts , from earlier today, as they seemed to have confused and clogged up the original thread... my apology to the original poster jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BillyVance 34 #15 November 17, 2010 Damn... 10 missing posts? Somebody's been up to no good. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #16 November 17, 2010 Quote (and of course he doesn't speak english ;) That's O.K ... nor do the Americans have a great trip. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ManagingPrime 0 #17 November 17, 2010 By manifest there is a poster board and I see someone advertising child care services. There are no child care facilities on site, but I'm sure if you reached out you could work something out. The girls in the office are really nice give them a call and they can probably point you in a direction worth investigating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimmytavino 16 #18 November 17, 2010 ...there you go !!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #19 November 17, 2010 QuoteDo you mean stressed to be in Eloy or stressed to be on a dropzone. Back in France He is quite used to spent time with us on dropzones, I'm an AFF instructor in France, and we are often a whole week on the dropzone, staying in a caravan. But of course, in France he knows everybody, and everybody know him, which won't be the same at Eloy (and of course he doesn't speak english ;) TOTALLY stressed out, put yoruself in a four yearold state of mind, first nothing but strangers, now they are strangers he doesn;t even understand! Leave him at home... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #20 November 17, 2010 QuoteDo you mean stressed to be in Eloy or stressed to be on a dropzone. Back in France He is quite used to spent time with us on dropzones, I'm an AFF instructor in France, and we are often a whole week on the dropzone, staying in a caravan. But of course, in France he knows everybody, and everybody know him, which won't be the same at Eloy (and of course he doesn't speak english ;) where'd my reply go? I said here, he will be freaked out, not friends, adn can;t understand anyone, it would be a living hell for a small child... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wildcard451 0 #21 November 17, 2010 Quotewhere'd my reply go? Remember, everything in moderation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyrider 0 #22 November 17, 2010 Quote Quote where'd my reply go? Remember, everything in moderation. LOL, it is there, must have been my computer... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skyflower_bloom 0 #23 November 17, 2010 I think that it can be good to arrange with another family to trade off if there are other jumpers- wish I could do it with ya, but I have my one jump trip of this year booked for Friday out to Elsinore What I did though is to post on care.com (or you could use something like craigslist but it is a bit less reputable so you may get some spam, make sure to follow up on the person), and wound up actually finding a sitter who recently moved in with her boyfriend on the dropzone there at the bunk where we'll be staying and is starting AFF etc. How perfect is that? I actually considered flying our nanny out with us, but the dates didn't line up well, and my son is pretty accepting of new people if I am also accepting of them, and mainly of new females.. so I decided a provider living in the area would be the best fit, and one on one is probably best for someone withOUT prior dz experience, i.e. maybe don't hire someone who has other kids in their care or kids of their own if they are not also a skydiver- hazards on a dz to do with planes, golf carts, landing areas, etc. may not all be readily apparent to a non-jumping childcare provider, so personally while our CP is a newer jumper and dates a skydiver, and is probably more familiar with the dz than we are, I would want one on one care for a child if I was not going with a skydiving family or dz regular to help out who could more likely be aware of and manage if the child is going in a problematic area and not be overwhelmed (IMHO). So, moral of the story, IF you have been to this dz, know this child's predispositions, and decide he will be happy on this dropzone, and if your jumping is of the sort that it will be fun and safe for you both and the child to have him around, then I would advise either bringing along someone he is familiar with on the trip if he has a regular nanny/sitter, or looking on dz.com for another family (I considered posting like you did, and may next time, also am meeting some other families with kids now so next trip may plan with other families who jump and have kiddos-- if people don't mind not being on every load, it can be a fun family trip AND jumping trip, accomplished by trading off, it seems. (I guess if you want to make every load and really focus on jumping, I would say don't bring the child anyways, but if you want to mix off spending time with him and jumping and/or do some family type day trips, there are options if you think he is comfortable with the flights and environments involved). But yeah, a full time hired childcare provider on something like care or craigslist is an option too, (oh and the "Classifieds" on here would work under Jobs! Just thought of that, since someone on here is more likely to have both dz experience and childcare experience- and childcare on a dz is a bit different than usual childcare!) Just be prepared for him to have some time to adjust, and to ease into the trip more slowly perhaps.. That said, it is certainly a sort of weighing what is more stressful on a young child, I do agree. In my situation, my son is a toddler and has never done an overnight or anything with his biological father, and is used to being at a dropzone, and it's traveling within the states- he has been on a similar length flight and done well- so in our case I feel is is much less stressful to bring him, but there are other factors that are being pointed out that only you can weigh in terms of where this child would be happiest. Also, if he is 4, he shouldn't have the final say, but it's definitely a good idea to talk to him about it and explain either way! Enjoy and best of luck, blue ones! R "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." Gandhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Heatmiser 0 #24 November 17, 2010 This. What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites guzman 0 #25 November 18, 2010 Thanks for all your advice (even the most... hmmm... funniest one ;) We have come to the decision to leave him in France, for all reasons you said and others more personal :) Idea to share the trip with another family is really interesting, maybe we'll think of it for another year, when he'll be grown up a little more. Blue sky every one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. 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jimmytavino 16 #12 November 17, 2010 my name aint Susan and my instincts tell me that YOU'RE Not a parent either.... but since we ARE in bonfire..... i'll admit i jumped the gun on david3, and may have over reacted... that doesn't mean that i retract what i posted.. it just gives me a better idea.. of how people within our community are thinking........ i guess i'm not surprised..just kinda sad.....if that's what it is.. carry ON.. jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #13 November 17, 2010 Quotemy name aint Susan and my instincts tell me that YOU'RE Not a parent either.... but since we ARE in bonfire..... i'll admit i jumped the gun on david3, and may have over reacted... that doesn't mean that i retract what i posted.. it just gives me a better idea.. of how people within our community are thinking........ i guess i'm not surprised..just kinda sad.....if that's what it is.. carry ON.. jt You don't ACTUALLY have a woman's name? Never would have guessed that. It was a joke. I am actually encouraged that most of the community isn't thinking like you. It would make for a boring sport. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #14 November 17, 2010 wow i give up... funny that no one has answered my question about whether they are parents or not.. boring sport???? cause of ME??? ... ask my DZ friends.. whether i bring "boring " to the DZ... or something the exact Opposite!!!!...edited to add... figured i'd delete my posts , from earlier today, as they seemed to have confused and clogged up the original thread... my apology to the original poster jt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #15 November 17, 2010 Damn... 10 missing posts? Somebody's been up to no good. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #16 November 17, 2010 Quote (and of course he doesn't speak english ;) That's O.K ... nor do the Americans have a great trip. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ManagingPrime 0 #17 November 17, 2010 By manifest there is a poster board and I see someone advertising child care services. There are no child care facilities on site, but I'm sure if you reached out you could work something out. The girls in the office are really nice give them a call and they can probably point you in a direction worth investigating. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #18 November 17, 2010 ...there you go !!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #19 November 17, 2010 QuoteDo you mean stressed to be in Eloy or stressed to be on a dropzone. Back in France He is quite used to spent time with us on dropzones, I'm an AFF instructor in France, and we are often a whole week on the dropzone, staying in a caravan. But of course, in France he knows everybody, and everybody know him, which won't be the same at Eloy (and of course he doesn't speak english ;) TOTALLY stressed out, put yoruself in a four yearold state of mind, first nothing but strangers, now they are strangers he doesn;t even understand! Leave him at home... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #20 November 17, 2010 QuoteDo you mean stressed to be in Eloy or stressed to be on a dropzone. Back in France He is quite used to spent time with us on dropzones, I'm an AFF instructor in France, and we are often a whole week on the dropzone, staying in a caravan. But of course, in France he knows everybody, and everybody know him, which won't be the same at Eloy (and of course he doesn't speak english ;) where'd my reply go? I said here, he will be freaked out, not friends, adn can;t understand anyone, it would be a living hell for a small child... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wildcard451 0 #21 November 17, 2010 Quotewhere'd my reply go? Remember, everything in moderation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyrider 0 #22 November 17, 2010 Quote Quote where'd my reply go? Remember, everything in moderation. LOL, it is there, must have been my computer... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyflower_bloom 0 #23 November 17, 2010 I think that it can be good to arrange with another family to trade off if there are other jumpers- wish I could do it with ya, but I have my one jump trip of this year booked for Friday out to Elsinore What I did though is to post on care.com (or you could use something like craigslist but it is a bit less reputable so you may get some spam, make sure to follow up on the person), and wound up actually finding a sitter who recently moved in with her boyfriend on the dropzone there at the bunk where we'll be staying and is starting AFF etc. How perfect is that? I actually considered flying our nanny out with us, but the dates didn't line up well, and my son is pretty accepting of new people if I am also accepting of them, and mainly of new females.. so I decided a provider living in the area would be the best fit, and one on one is probably best for someone withOUT prior dz experience, i.e. maybe don't hire someone who has other kids in their care or kids of their own if they are not also a skydiver- hazards on a dz to do with planes, golf carts, landing areas, etc. may not all be readily apparent to a non-jumping childcare provider, so personally while our CP is a newer jumper and dates a skydiver, and is probably more familiar with the dz than we are, I would want one on one care for a child if I was not going with a skydiving family or dz regular to help out who could more likely be aware of and manage if the child is going in a problematic area and not be overwhelmed (IMHO). So, moral of the story, IF you have been to this dz, know this child's predispositions, and decide he will be happy on this dropzone, and if your jumping is of the sort that it will be fun and safe for you both and the child to have him around, then I would advise either bringing along someone he is familiar with on the trip if he has a regular nanny/sitter, or looking on dz.com for another family (I considered posting like you did, and may next time, also am meeting some other families with kids now so next trip may plan with other families who jump and have kiddos-- if people don't mind not being on every load, it can be a fun family trip AND jumping trip, accomplished by trading off, it seems. (I guess if you want to make every load and really focus on jumping, I would say don't bring the child anyways, but if you want to mix off spending time with him and jumping and/or do some family type day trips, there are options if you think he is comfortable with the flights and environments involved). But yeah, a full time hired childcare provider on something like care or craigslist is an option too, (oh and the "Classifieds" on here would work under Jobs! Just thought of that, since someone on here is more likely to have both dz experience and childcare experience- and childcare on a dz is a bit different than usual childcare!) Just be prepared for him to have some time to adjust, and to ease into the trip more slowly perhaps.. That said, it is certainly a sort of weighing what is more stressful on a young child, I do agree. In my situation, my son is a toddler and has never done an overnight or anything with his biological father, and is used to being at a dropzone, and it's traveling within the states- he has been on a similar length flight and done well- so in our case I feel is is much less stressful to bring him, but there are other factors that are being pointed out that only you can weigh in terms of where this child would be happiest. Also, if he is 4, he shouldn't have the final say, but it's definitely a good idea to talk to him about it and explain either way! Enjoy and best of luck, blue ones! R "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." Gandhi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Heatmiser 0 #24 November 17, 2010 This. What you say is reflective of your knowledge...HOW ya say it is reflective of your experience. Airtwardo Someone's going to be spanked! Hopefully, it will be me. Skymama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
guzman 0 #25 November 18, 2010 Thanks for all your advice (even the most... hmmm... funniest one ;) We have come to the decision to leave him in France, for all reasons you said and others more personal :) Idea to share the trip with another family is really interesting, maybe we'll think of it for another year, when he'll be grown up a little more. Blue sky every one Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
