Static line - PC in tow?

[CornishChris 5]

Having watched the 'old-skool' malfunction video linked in Safety & Training I trawled through a few other recommended videos on You Tuvbe and found this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXpnxMH3hds&NR=1&feature=fvwp

It's static line but not as I know it. In all except the first jump the static line appears to pull the PC for the student/jumper instead of being linked to the d-bag. For this compilation they seem to have just used PC-in-tow malfunctions but I don't understand the language. It is a bizarre watch and would be interested in comments.

I assume someone will tell me that this method of SL is common in eastern Europe or in the past...

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[hcsvader 1]

Very odd, it looks like some kind of PCA (pilot chute assist) static line out of an light aircraft (very low ground speed)

Dose anyone know how fast you need to be falling for a PC to have enough drag to pull the pin on a main container?

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[trig78 0]

I did few jumps like that in Czech republic in 2002. It was called ''stabilized free fall'' and it was a step between SL and free fall. SL pulls out the PC, the PC helps you stay stable. You take care of the rest.

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[lowpull 0]

We tried it in Palatka one weekend. The s/l has a split on the end, and there is velcro between the 2 ends,sort of like a forked tongue. the s/l goes to the top of the standard spring assist pilot chute, and when the student leaves the aircraft, the s/l reaches its end, opens the contained, and snatches the pilot chute out of the container.

This system produces violent openings, as the aircraft acts like an anchor, which in turn forces the entire opening process to happen immediately upon the s/l going taut.

We made 4 loads and put our bags back on the end of the s/l's.

Hope this helps


Ralph

[popsjumper 2]

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This system produces violent openings,...

I would have been happy with a quick violent opening as opposed to what we are seeing in this video.

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[jimmytavino 16]

roger THAT...
IIRC... the static line approach to student exits , opens the CONTAINER first,,,,
( via break cord, on the OLD 3 pin or 4 pin, "cones & grommets " rigs, )
or via a tab on the static line, which inserts into a One pin closing system with a grommet and elastic closing loop.....
BEFORE.. pulling the PC out.
the SL was connected to the P.C. Bottom, by either velcro, or break cord..
HERE it seems that the Static Line is Pulling the P C itself outta the Pouch.... and then relying on the P C to create the DRAG, to pull the Pin... YIKES!!!!!!!
am i seeing that footage the way i think....???
some of those exiting jumpers fall out of view!!!!! still towing a PC !!>>>> wtf????
jt

[muff528 3]

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I did few jumps like that in Czech republic in 2002. It was called ''stabilized free fall'' and it was a step between SL and free fall. SL pulls out the PC, the PC helps you stay stable. You take care of the rest.

I don't get it. Does the student "take care of the rest" with something like a drogue release ripcord on a tandem. If he can't find the handle does he dump his reserve into a PC in tow?

[kkeenan 14]

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...some of those exiting jumpers fall out of view!!!!! still towing a PC !!>>>> wtf????
jt

Yeah, it looks like half of them are going in, towing a pilot chute. That doesn't look worth a shit.

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[CornishChris 5]

I told you it was a weird video. One post makes it sound like they are using the PC as a drogue almost...

Give me scary old proper static lines any day over this system...

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[NovaTTT 2]

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I don't get it. Does the student "take care of the rest" with something like a drogue release ripcord on a tandem. If he can't find the handle does he dump his reserve into a PC in tow?

Cavet: I am not an instructor, but I was taught by them.

It's PC-stablized freefall training. Since we saw they also use direct bagging, we can presume PCS is part of their progression method.

The student will pull a ripcord to release the PC, presumably after demonstrating PRCPs on previous jumps. At 1:10 one sees the jumper deploying the main after a 10 sec delay.

If the jumper can't locate the ripcord, it looks like he'll be firing his reserve into the towed PC.

It might be backwater skydiving, but it's still skydiving.

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[Andy9o8 2]

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It's PC-stablized freefall training. Since we saw they also use direct bagging, we can presume PCS is part of their progression method.

The student will pull a ripcord to release the PC, presumably after demonstrating PRCPs on previous jumps. At 1:10 one sees the jumper deploying the main after a 10 sec delay.

I agree. It's basically drogue-fall (as "training wheels" for stability), similar in concept (technical minutiae aside) to what tandem rigs do; except instead of the jumper setting his own drogue, the S/L does it for him. The jumper then pulls a release handle or ripcord to deploy the canopy, again similar to what a TI does. Didn't the Russian/Soviet military have a similar system a while back? As I recall, we've even discussed the relative pros and cons of such a training method in other DZ.com threads.

[muff528 3]

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I don't get it. Does the student "take care of the rest" with something like a drogue release ripcord on a tandem. If he can't find the handle does he dump his reserve into a PC in tow?

Cavet: I am not an instructor, but I was taught by them.

It's PC-stablized freefall training. Since we saw they also use direct bagging, we can presume PCS is part of their progression method.

The student will pull a ripcord to release the PC, presumably after demonstrating PRCPs on previous jumps. At 1:10 one sees the jumper deploying the main after a 10 sec delay.

If the jumper can't locate the ripcord, it looks like he'll be firing his reserve into the towed PC.

It might be backwater skydiving, but it's still skydiving.

Oh, I guess I do get it.

[liftedtitan 0]

I like the gut at 1:38 with no eye protection. Must be easy to read the old alti.....

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[jimmytavino 16]

ahhh..
i'm glad to have checked back, here..
thanks for the explanation (s) and that makes the video a bit easier to understand...
so then. is the Pilot chute/stabilizer a standard PC ?? or something oversized??
Is it pulled out of the POUCH???!!! or stowed elsewhere ?
After pulling and Holding a PC handle, w/ cable ( i presume) ...while doing these early level free falls,,
are the students THEN taught to Throw!! a real pilot chute???
wish there were better views of the plane....It sure seems like the jumpers are enjoying themselves..

jmy

[NovaTTT 2]

My best guess from reviewing the video, Jimmy, is the PC is standard. The excess SL and D-bagged PC are stowed on the right side of the rig. The PC pouch appears to be vertical, on the sidewall.

This is best seen around 1:25.

The best views of the front of the gear are around 1:44 and then at 2:44, where one sees what appears to be a standard PVC-handled ripcord mounted ROL.

I suppose they're keeping the 80's alive by training for ROL deployment.

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[skyrider 0]

Parachute aside...No Googles,and sunglasses...something tells me this was a test , done by expereinced jumpers!

But Pilotchute assist static line has been around a while, (damn dangerous, IMO)
The aircraft looks border line aultralite! That thing looks like it was barely moving .....

[riggerrob 643]

"... It's basically drogue-fall (as "training wheels" for stability), ... Didn't the Russian/Soviet military have a similar system a while back? As I recall, we've even discussed the relative pros and cons of such a training method in other DZ.com threads.

[Arvoitus 1]

What is the music in the video, since it is blocked in this part of the Internet due to content owned by Sony Music Entertainment.

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[Deyan 36]

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Yes!
The Russian Army used to use a similar system which used a static-line to deploy a drogue, then a KAP-3 to pull the drogue release.

Rob, I think that the Russians are using PPK-U as a AAD for the drogue release

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[trig78 0]

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I don't get it. Does the student "take care of the rest" with something like a drogue release ripcord on a tandem. If he can't find the handle does he dump his reserve into a PC in tow?

Student will pull the ripcord to release the main and the PC will pull it out of the container. Those old AAD's were opening the main if the student would fail to pull the ripcord. It opened mine twice because i wanted to squeeze out few more seconds of freefall

Also, AAD was set to 1000 meters (cca 3000 ft). All rigs had RSL.

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