If I'm ever in freefall with you and you lose consciousness would you rather me...

[CHRCNF 0]

If I'm ever in freefall with you and you lose consciousness would you rather me pull your main or go silver? Or let your AAD do the work?

[Amazon 7]

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If I'm ever in freefall with you and you lose consciousness would you rather me pull your main or go silver? Or let your AAD do the work?

I think MOST people could survive an unconscioius landing under their reserve a whole lot better than under their main.

so far 2 for main one for AAD......

[faulknerwn 38]

My main and reserves on most of my rigs are so similar it doesn't matter.. (Triathlon 120s/135s or Tempo 120s/PD 126s )... I have no AADs so I'd be happy if you pulled either parachute...

[ZigZagMarquis 9]

How do you know I have an AAD?

[sundevil777 102]

The reserve is better suited for a deployment while unstable.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[Beachbum 0]

I'm out cold, I agree with "either" that someone can reach for me. Given a choice though, I think I'd prefer the main. There is always a chance of circumstances being a mal and me waking up in the meanwhile, so keeping that reserve option available seems best to me. Definitely would not want someone to assume I have an AAD, and have it turned on, AND that if it did fire, the reserve would deploy successfully!

As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks?

[727_Jumper 0]

something > nothing

my reserve does not have the loading my main does, I'd say my reserve.. but how whould you know?

letting the AAD do it's thing?... not everyone has one

do something is the right choice IMHO

[skyrider 0]

Who is the one that said AAD, and WTF are they thinking?

BTW, I have been in that spot, and I pulled thier Main....

This was before people jumped mains that kill....today, I'd probably grab their reserve!

[airtwardo 7]

If i lose consciousness in free-fall it's 'cause i'm dead...


Pull my car keys...and get all the ummmm 'stuff' outta my car before they start the investigation!

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[champu 1]

Deploying the main of an unconcious person who has a very small main, an AAD, and a reserve that's 40-50% larger than their main could very well be killing them.

...just sayin'.

[happythoughts 0]

Hook-knife my suit and whip my junk out.

That way, at the funeral, people can say, "At least he died doing what he loved... instead of some senseless accident".

[theonlyski 8]

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If I'm ever in freefall with you and you lose consciousness would you rather me pull your main or go silver? Or let your AAD do the work?

Good luck catching me, unstable and unconscious... but id go for main, never know could need the reserve later.

"I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly
DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890
I'm an asshole, and I approve this message

[Andy9o8 2]

My reserve. My reserve is less likely to malfunction, and it's better suited to landing me more safely if I'm unconscious or disabled.

[Amazon 7]

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My reserve. My reserve is less likely to malfunction, and it's better suited to landing me more safely if I'm unconscious or disabled.

What I can't fathom, is WHO THE HELL is voting for the AAD

CHRIST

[BIGUN 1,326]

I'd rather you pull my dick and rubbed one last one out for me.
If you're not up for the job, then go for silver, please.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[blkhwk91b 0]

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I'd rather you pull my dick and rubbed one last one out for me.
If you're not up for the job, then go for silver, please.

That's some funny shit... I don't care who you are...

"Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts

[wildcard451 0]

Silver. An unconscious landing under my main will likely break or kill me anyway.

[skybytch 273]

I'd rather you not risk losing altitude awareness because you were trying to save me. But if you do manage to catch and stabilize me enough to pull anything, please pull whichever handle is closest to you.

[dragon2 2]

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I'd rather you not risk losing altitude awareness because you were trying to save me. But if you do manage to catch and stabilize me enough to pull anything, please pull whichever handle is closest to you.

Ditto.

ciel bleu,
Saskia

[fasted3 0]

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What I can't fathom, is WHO THE HELL is voting for the AAD

I did.
That's about the only option if you're in a wingsuit, which is all I do.
Any rescue attempt would be 100 times more likely to result in 2 casualties than in a save. (Assuming anyone could get that close, which is unlikely.)
So if I am unconscious I will have to rely on my AAD to save me. That's why I got it.
So for the record, if it happens, I don't want anybody to try and help. Thanks anyway.

But what do I know?

[NWFlyer 2]

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If I'm ever in freefall with you and you lose consciousness would you rather me pull your main or go silver? Or let your AAD do the work?

I'm surprised JohnMitchell hasn't chimed in on this discussion yet - he had to make that very decision last year.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3636677

Bear in mind that the two people involved in this save both have 20+ years and 4000+ jumps and multiple instructor ratings. They had the skill and experience to pull this off (and in this case, the altitude as well). As skybytch has pointed out, that may not always be the case, and in a different situation with different players (or an unconscious victim who is much more unstable) things can end very differently and very badly.

"There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke

[JohnDeere 0]

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If i lose consciousness in free-fall it's 'cause i'm dead...

Dang Twardo your old but not...... never mind.....

Nothing opens like a Deere!

You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers!

[BIGUN 1,326]

My post was as one who's seen an unconscious skydiver and was intended as "if we're going to have a silly discussion, then I'll have a silly response" and now that I read it this morning; probably should have kept my fingers away from the keyboard and for that I apologize.

In the situation where I saw the unconscious skydiver, The knockout occurred right after the 13.5k exit during the initial stages of the formation build at around 12k. I too was "grayed out" from the 40' above dive-bomber dock and there was video. It took three of the then best fliers to close in on the flailing unconscious diver of which I stayed off low (where I got bounced down to) and to the side.

Their approach was cautious, they exercised restraint, phenomenal hand signal communications, enormous teamwork to circle and methodically approach and corral. They took turns bumping and closing in and it took almost every foot of altitude to around 5K for them to make the dock and part of it was the unconscious skydiver becoming semi-conscious and "bellying out." Two hung on, one backed off and the two hummed down docked on either side to pull altitude, gave the pull signal and the now conscious skydiver pulled their own main.

In short, if you are not a regular super current big-way flier, load organizer type, with multiple ratings, years of experience and thousands of dives, then the very best thing you can do with a flailing all over the sky unconscious skydiver is stay out of the way of those who are proficient and let them decide if they should even make the attempt.

Recommendation: Wear an AAD. If not for you, then for those you love and who love you until 2K; so they never have to make a decision that could cost them their life also.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

[jaffo 0]

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If I'm ever in freefall with you and you lose consciousness would you rather me pull your main or go silver? Or let your AAD do the work?

I'm surprised JohnMitchell hasn't chimed in on this discussion yet - he had to make that very decision last year.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3636677

Bear in mind that the two people involved in this save both have 20+ years and 4000+ jumps and multiple instructor ratings. They had the skill and experience to pull this off (and in this case, the altitude as well). As skybytch has pointed out, that may not always be the case, and in a different situation with different players (or an unconscious victim who is much more unstable) things can end very differently and very badly.

I'm sure you didn't mean to imply that those of us less experienced that John and Jeff should do nothing if ever in that situation.

I'm sure you were just encouraging us to be careful.

P.S. John and Jeff are heros!

Ryder

Take chances, just do it with all the information to make good decisions!!

Muff Brother# 2706 Dudeist Skydiver# 121.5

[faulknerwn 38]

Ditto. My main and reserves are both 7 cell squares. I'll take either..