Responsibility in the landing pattern

[goose491 0]

I will indeed land a few exactly as you are describing. Please don't take my continued requests for clarification as simple argument though.

This is something that I find very frustrating. How things were being added-in somehow, between my posts and Bills responses.

And now we've got this here:

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if your doing a 180 in your main landing area you are potentially flying at people that are already on final.

I'm sorry I can't picture it. And again, I'm begining to feel like some are thinking I just don't want to listen. I assure you if that was the case, I wouldn't be posting at all... just doing my thing.

At least you said "potentially" but if you read my described setup, you'll note my 180 is initiated at the end of my downwind leg. I've said, as a matter of fact, that my downwind leg is flown exactly the same as it would if I was doing only 90s... I just continue it a tiny bit longer, getting down the extra 50-100 feet.

How is it that I'm flying at people on final?

My downwind leg is not up the middle of the field... it's at the most-extreme downwind-leg side of the field like in my diagrams. I've also said that if the winds are such that the downwind leg of the pattern is the furthest side of the field from the packing area, I'm walking back. IOW, how am I flying at people on final anymore than the guy behind me planning on turning a 90 degree base?

Nick

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

[goose491 0]

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The PD factory team 180 front riser turn training video: http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ver2/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=2386. THAT's how the pros teach it.

Bah! Only a Dick would fly like that!

My Karma ran over my Dogma!!!

[chachi 0]

hey - i wasn't taking anything you said as an arguement. but the reality is that if you offer advice you get argued with all the time. i now just tell people they can listen or not.

in your case, you may be doing a 180 so far down and so low that your potential isnt high. the goal though is to keep your setup points and patterns the same as you progress through canopies simply altering things as needed for dive/forward speed. if you are doing a 180 in the main landing area on a vx94 you would need to initiate it high, and right in line with your landing area, or slightly wider if you were a carver. this would be where you would be flying into your setup right at people. also, you are starting your point A setup point upwind. and then flying downwind, making your 180 and landing into the wind, if you misjsudge the wind speed at point A - you have very little option to correct yourself without really making a mess. if you in coming cross wind made a mistake at point A you will be able to lengthen that line by moving closer to the gates, then turning downwind, or moving straighter to your initiation point. bingo, more options.

swooping is about being at the right spot to make the correct turn everytime. yes that spot moves around the sky but you want as many options to get to that spot without hosing, or being confusing to the people flying around the sky with you.

ps. i consider the goal of all swoopers to also consider accuracy. if you want to huck a turn when you get to the right altitude and "beer line" swoop that's fine. all of my posts would be for people that want technique and accuracy.