tombuch 0 #26 April 8, 2004 Quote I can't imagine that the risk of damage from a wayward skydiver exceeds that from a wayward model airplane doing 150mph or an out of control model helicopter with a rotor turning at 2000rpm. It costs my model plane club $40/year for it's $2M landowner's liability insurance. Surely USPA can come up with a similar scheme. I think a 200 pound skydiver falling at 120 mph can do a lot more damage, as can a parachutist flying at 40-50 mph. Heck, we recently had a visiting jumper smash into a parked airplane and do more than 20,000 dollars in damage...can your model airplanes do that? Local governments are also concerned about being sued by the survivors of jumpers, and that is not a concern in your model airplane activity. The threat is that a jumper is killed and his survivors sue everybody associated with the activity, including the land owners. Municipal governments have an obligation to protect their constituents and budgets from frivolous litigation, and there is far more of that involved in skydiving than in model airplane flying. Tom BuchananTom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
calphoto 0 #27 April 8, 2004 Your friend might want to contact the AOPA. If you rfriend owns the plane, I certainly hope that he is a member. An airport that wants to limit some aviation-related activities on an airport is not far from putting restrictions on ALL activities on the airport. What affects one affects us all. Many airports will have an AOPA member who has dedicated himself to representing the General Aviation interests on his or her specific field. Hope that they can help!Hartwood Paracenter - The closest DZ to DC! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #28 April 8, 2004 QuoteSorry, i'm not sure whether you're joking or not, do you really want to pay ski resort prices for a weekend at the dz? Or should they make the hotel money elsewhere, like by selling that big expensive turbine? I wasn't joking at all. Where do you think this sport will go without attracting the kind of people with disposable income? The customers on the slopes don't seem to have a problem with the waiver printed on the back of the lift ticket; you hit a tree and get hurt...you, your insurance, or the taxpayers must pay...not the ski slope operator! The slopes attract people with money because the comforts are there, which collectively make up the ski experience; it's not just the snow on a hill. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skipro101 0 #29 April 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteSorry, i'm not sure whether you're joking or not, do you really want to pay ski resort prices for a weekend at the dz? Or should they make the hotel money elsewhere, like by selling that big expensive turbine? I wasn't joking at all. Where do you think this sport will go without attracting the kind of people with disposable income? The customers on the slopes don't seem to have a problem with the waiver printed on the back of the lift ticket; you hit a tree and get hurt...you, your insurance, or the taxpayers must pay...not the ski slope operator! The slopes attract people with money because the comforts are there, which collectively make up the ski experience; it's not just the snow on a hill. I am a Level III PSIA instructor and taught at several major ski areas out west (utah and new mexico). I think you are in the dark as far as sueing/injuries go at ski resorts. Just in the year 2002/2004 season, there were several settelments (read millions of dollars) payed to people who were hurt at a certain resort that i worked for.. Also, there are quite a few deaths every year at ski resorts....they are very good and keeping it quit. the waiver doesnt mean shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slug 1 #30 April 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteWhat qualifies Needles to be a lobbyist -- his time as a Golden Knight? Sorry, that doesn't impress the bureacracy. Chris Needles is a retired U.S. Army Colonel and served as a military assistant on the National Securtiy Council during the 1st Bush administration if memory serves me correctly. Is that good enough for you? CDR What chris did "back in the day" don't mean squat to me. There might be some advantages to a retired army officer working in the DC metro-plex. Like nice facilities for the retired general's that work for the pentagon. R.I.P. X uspa member Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rmsmith 1 #31 April 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteQuoteSorry, i'm not sure whether you're joking or not, do you really want to pay ski resort prices for a weekend at the dz? Or should they make the hotel money elsewhere, like by selling that big expensive turbine? I wasn't joking at all. Where do you think this sport will go without attracting the kind of people with disposable income? The customers on the slopes don't seem to have a problem with the waiver printed on the back of the lift ticket; you hit a tree and get hurt...you, your insurance, or the taxpayers must pay...not the ski slope operator! The slopes attract people with money because the comforts are there, which collectively make up the ski experience; it's not just the snow on a hill. I am a Level III PSIA instructor and taught at several major ski areas out west (utah and new mexico). I think you are in the dark as far as sueing/injuries go at ski resorts. Just in the year 2002/2004 season, there were several settelments (read millions of dollars) payed to people who were hurt at a certain resort that i worked for.. Also, there are quite a few deaths every year at ski resorts....they are very good and keeping it quit. the waiver doesnt mean shit. In the northwest, several folks went past danger signs this year into ungroomed unpatrolled areas where unstable snow buried them, or they simply became lost; both cases resulted in frostbite injuries or death. But, you are right, no follow-up to these stories are ever mentioned, which is probably part of the settlement deals. Large scale search and rescue operations were also mounted costing someone big money. However, these events don't seem to aggravate the industry or drive ski slopes away. I've been skiing for 35-years, and the sport continues to improve. While it is also a spendy sport, all I see is big buck investments everywhere I look around the slopes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #32 April 8, 2004 Quote I wasn't joking at all. Where do you think this sport will go without attracting the kind of people with disposable income? The customers on the slopes don't seem to have a problem with the waiver printed on the back of the lift ticket; you hit a tree and get hurt...you, your insurance, or the taxpayers must pay...not the ski slope operator! The slopes attract people with money because the comforts are there, which collectively make up the ski experience; it's not just the snow on a hill. Skiers do sue, and it is a major expense for the ski areas. There are a few states with a huge ski industry/lobby that have passed laws to specifically limit liability, but the resorts still get sued. USPA was part of an effort to get a similar bill passed in Virginia recently, and will be doing follow-up at a future legislative session. Laws like these will help the skydiving industry, but they are not consumer-friendly and are generally opposed by the legal community. It's tough to get these laws passed to protect a big industry like ski operators, and it's even tougher to pass them in support of tiny industries like skydiving. The biggest issue for ski resorts these days is the liability of snowboard/ski parks. Some resorts have eliminated these features entirely, some have restricted them to adults only, others are developing special waivers and video releases to further reduce liability. There is an especially serious challenge to waivers signed by a parent on behalf of a minor, and this issue is generating major headaches among resort managers. I should also point out that most ski areas are able to get liability insurance, although some have been moving toward self insurance due to the high cost of available policies. The customers on the slopes DO have a problem with recognizing the ticket waiver, and their level of disposable income has no bearing on their willingness to sue. Liability is a giant issue in the ski industry, and the insurance the resorts must purchase is a part of the ticket cost. Tom Buchanan AASI Certified Snowboard Instructor USPA Instructor (SL, IAD, Tandem, AFF) Author JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and EasyTom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron 10 #33 April 8, 2004 QuoteFirst, the museum and USPA will not SHARE land. You first email said the will be connected...thats sharing. QuoteYou can be pissed at USPA, but you need to find another reason. That USPA protects its name and logo should make you feel good. Id rather the USPA protect skydiving...And they do a shit job of that."No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 April 8, 2004 QuoteQuoteThe USPA is worthless Well, they put out a pretty good magazine and send me a sticker every year (unfortunately, it is the SAME sticker every year). The magazine gets pretty old after a few years. I'd rather it was optional and we could substract the cost from the dues if we don't want it. For that matter, my wife also skydives so we get two copies every month. What a wasted of paper and postage for us to pay for that - and then twice. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,105 #35 April 8, 2004 QuoteQuote I can't imagine that the risk of damage from a wayward skydiver exceeds that from a wayward model airplane doing 150mph or an out of control model helicopter with a rotor turning at 2000rpm. It costs my model plane club $40/year for it's $2M landowner's liability insurance. Surely USPA can come up with a similar scheme. I think a 200 pound skydiver falling at 120 mph can do a lot more damage, as can a parachutist flying at 40-50 mph. Heck, we recently had a visiting jumper smash into a parked airplane and do more than 20,000 dollars in damage...can your model airplanes do that? Quote Yes. And they can (and have) killed spectators. In one case the plane penetrated a chain link fence before hitting and killing a spectator. A 35 pound airplane going 200mph with a 10hp engine on the front turning a prop at 10,000rpm is a pretty dangerous thing if it goes out of control. Some models nowadays are powered by real (but small) turbojet engines. And I expect they go out of control rather more frequently than skydivers do. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites devarona 0 #36 August 14, 2010 I just came across this thread and found it quite interesting. The only DZ in Puerto Rico has quite the struggle with the new ports authority administration of PR. Its not the first time this has happened though, the DZ used to be in another airport where I think (if im not mistaken) the problem was the airport's manager that was kind of a cunt. They moved to Arecibo where the shit storm with ports authority came up after the administrative change in the PR government. They've made tons of excuses from missing paper work (which is not true) to liability issues to take the skydivers out of the Arecibo DZ. Fortunately, another airstrip thats not owned by ports authority came up and thats where were jumping at the moment (with a better view and a better beach landing area at least!). All in all, USPA has done fuck to help the DZ out. I understand that their influence in the PR government must be close to none, but dont they have some kind of influence with the FAA? All the municipal airports of PR are funded by the FAA and thus, they abide by FAA rules. This, in my opinion, should be a good place to help us out in the ongoing struggle to keep skydiving alive in the island. However, shit has been done about it by the USPA (to what Ive been informed). It would be nice to see that annual membership being put to good use but ohh well... QuoteQuoteQuote I can't imagine that the risk of damage from a wayward skydiver exceeds that from a wayward model airplane doing 150mph or an out of control model helicopter with a rotor turning at 2000rpm. It costs my model plane club $40/year for it's $2M landowner's liability insurance. Surely USPA can come up with a similar scheme. I think a 200 pound skydiver falling at 120 mph can do a lot more damage, as can a parachutist flying at 40-50 mph. Heck, we recently had a visiting jumper smash into a parked airplane and do more than 20,000 dollars in damage...can your model airplanes do that? Quote Yes. And they can (and have) killed spectators. In one case the plane penetrated a chain link fence before hitting and killing a spectator. A 35 pound airplane going 200mph with a 10hp engine on the front turning a prop at 10,000rpm is a pretty dangerous thing if it goes out of control. Some models nowadays are powered by real (but small) turbojet engines. And I expect they go out of control rather more frequently than skydivers do. You must be either one lonely 80 year old rotting fuck, a 60 year old fart with a minivan, 8 kids and an ugly wife, some 30 year old with a desk job and nothing more than time on his hands or just a normal human being with one insanely irrational comment like that one... your R/C or a pogo stick are not even close as to what dangers an average human being in freefall can come to... We have learned how to be as safe as possible to at least earn our right to skydive but in truth, its still more dangerous than a little rocket fueled model airplane or whatever it is you're trying to make a point with. As far as potential, an otter load has about 23 or 24 jumpers compared to one small model R/C... do the math... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #37 August 14, 2010 Have you asked the USPA for help?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #38 August 14, 2010 I was gonna ask the same question. Randy Ottinger has been nothing but UBER-Responsive when asked for help by me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tkhayes 348 #39 August 14, 2010 I too am tired of the all the USPA bashing. The airport in Montana has every right to ask for liability insurance. That is norm in the industry. What also norm in the industry is that the slip-and-fall insurance they want will probably not cover skydiving activities, but that 'skydiving' insurance comes in smaller form through a USPA memberships for the jumpers that jump there. I am pretty sure that USPA has probably 'helped' to their capacity, but they cannot make an airport do anything. If the airport receives federal money, then they have to allow skydiving, but that does not mean skydiving-with-no-insurance. The cheapest we (Skydive City) has ever obtained the required liability insurance is for about $2000 and the most expensive was $11,000. It does NOT cover skydiving activities, but the City also understands that such insurance is only available through USPA membership The liability insurance issue is a cost of doing business and NOT USPA's problem to solve. It would be great if we could get the same state laws that 'exclude' equestrian and similar activities from liability due to the 'high risks' involved and I am sure that USPA is working on that - but I am also not holding my breath. IF you do not think that USPA is doing a good job, then you are free to start your own organization and try to lobby the government yourself. You are also free to build your own private airport or buy land and do whatever the hell you want. Not all battles can be won and we are the bastard child of the aviation industry so we do not have much teeth. Montana or anywhere else. I think USPA does a bang-up job for what they have and what we have as an industry..... USPA stopped an action that would have added a huge federal tax on skydiving activities about 15 years ago. That move alone would have cost you $2+ per jump forever, so your membership is already worth the money they saved you by that single action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #40 August 14, 2010 @ Devarona: [warning] Personal attacks are not allowed in the forums. [/warning]Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cutaway68 4 #41 August 14, 2010 All this over a 6 year old thread? Don't Pull Low... Unless You ARE!!! The pessimist says, "It can't get any worse than this." The optimist says, "Sure, it can." Be fun, have safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #42 August 14, 2010 Quote I too am tired of the all the USPA bashing. Could be worse. Could be lawyer-bashing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hvance 0 #43 August 14, 2010 Quote All this over a 6 year old thread? How was this even restarted?I wish Google Maps had an "Avoid Ghetto" routing option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #44 August 14, 2010 Quote Quote All this over a 6 year old thread? How was this even restarted? Someone came on here and started complaining that the USPA wasn't helping someone in Puerto Rico start a DZ."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #45 August 14, 2010 Quote Quote Quote All this over a 6 year old thread? How was this even restarted? Someone came on here and started complaining that the USPA wasn't helping someone in Puerto Rico start a DZ. Puerto Rico is a part of the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stratostar 5 #46 August 14, 2010 Based on the post, no, nor do they understand anything about airports access fights and how to handle those issues and what part of any of that USPA plays a role in..you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckakers 426 #47 August 15, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote The USPA is worthless ...but we (USPA) own the office so it's a good thing because that area of Alexandria is appreciating probably 20-30% per year. 1. Appreciation only matters if you sell, which wouldn't typically be in the plans for a museum. 2. Might wanna check the comps on that property now. Probably won't see anything close to those numbers.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #48 August 15, 2010 The post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cutaway68 4 #49 August 15, 2010 QuoteThe post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year. Uh, OK. Is there a reason it was removed? Don't Pull Low... Unless You ARE!!! The pessimist says, "It can't get any worse than this." The optimist says, "Sure, it can." Be fun, have safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #50 August 15, 2010 Quote Quote The post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year. Uh, OK. Is there a reason it was removed? 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devarona 0 #36 August 14, 2010 I just came across this thread and found it quite interesting. The only DZ in Puerto Rico has quite the struggle with the new ports authority administration of PR. Its not the first time this has happened though, the DZ used to be in another airport where I think (if im not mistaken) the problem was the airport's manager that was kind of a cunt. They moved to Arecibo where the shit storm with ports authority came up after the administrative change in the PR government. They've made tons of excuses from missing paper work (which is not true) to liability issues to take the skydivers out of the Arecibo DZ. Fortunately, another airstrip thats not owned by ports authority came up and thats where were jumping at the moment (with a better view and a better beach landing area at least!). All in all, USPA has done fuck to help the DZ out. I understand that their influence in the PR government must be close to none, but dont they have some kind of influence with the FAA? All the municipal airports of PR are funded by the FAA and thus, they abide by FAA rules. This, in my opinion, should be a good place to help us out in the ongoing struggle to keep skydiving alive in the island. However, shit has been done about it by the USPA (to what Ive been informed). It would be nice to see that annual membership being put to good use but ohh well... QuoteQuoteQuote I can't imagine that the risk of damage from a wayward skydiver exceeds that from a wayward model airplane doing 150mph or an out of control model helicopter with a rotor turning at 2000rpm. It costs my model plane club $40/year for it's $2M landowner's liability insurance. Surely USPA can come up with a similar scheme. I think a 200 pound skydiver falling at 120 mph can do a lot more damage, as can a parachutist flying at 40-50 mph. Heck, we recently had a visiting jumper smash into a parked airplane and do more than 20,000 dollars in damage...can your model airplanes do that? Quote Yes. And they can (and have) killed spectators. In one case the plane penetrated a chain link fence before hitting and killing a spectator. A 35 pound airplane going 200mph with a 10hp engine on the front turning a prop at 10,000rpm is a pretty dangerous thing if it goes out of control. Some models nowadays are powered by real (but small) turbojet engines. And I expect they go out of control rather more frequently than skydivers do. You must be either one lonely 80 year old rotting fuck, a 60 year old fart with a minivan, 8 kids and an ugly wife, some 30 year old with a desk job and nothing more than time on his hands or just a normal human being with one insanely irrational comment like that one... your R/C or a pogo stick are not even close as to what dangers an average human being in freefall can come to... We have learned how to be as safe as possible to at least earn our right to skydive but in truth, its still more dangerous than a little rocket fueled model airplane or whatever it is you're trying to make a point with. As far as potential, an otter load has about 23 or 24 jumpers compared to one small model R/C... do the math... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #37 August 14, 2010 Have you asked the USPA for help?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DSE 5 #38 August 14, 2010 I was gonna ask the same question. Randy Ottinger has been nothing but UBER-Responsive when asked for help by me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tkhayes 348 #39 August 14, 2010 I too am tired of the all the USPA bashing. The airport in Montana has every right to ask for liability insurance. That is norm in the industry. What also norm in the industry is that the slip-and-fall insurance they want will probably not cover skydiving activities, but that 'skydiving' insurance comes in smaller form through a USPA memberships for the jumpers that jump there. I am pretty sure that USPA has probably 'helped' to their capacity, but they cannot make an airport do anything. If the airport receives federal money, then they have to allow skydiving, but that does not mean skydiving-with-no-insurance. The cheapest we (Skydive City) has ever obtained the required liability insurance is for about $2000 and the most expensive was $11,000. It does NOT cover skydiving activities, but the City also understands that such insurance is only available through USPA membership The liability insurance issue is a cost of doing business and NOT USPA's problem to solve. It would be great if we could get the same state laws that 'exclude' equestrian and similar activities from liability due to the 'high risks' involved and I am sure that USPA is working on that - but I am also not holding my breath. IF you do not think that USPA is doing a good job, then you are free to start your own organization and try to lobby the government yourself. You are also free to build your own private airport or buy land and do whatever the hell you want. Not all battles can be won and we are the bastard child of the aviation industry so we do not have much teeth. Montana or anywhere else. I think USPA does a bang-up job for what they have and what we have as an industry..... USPA stopped an action that would have added a huge federal tax on skydiving activities about 15 years ago. That move alone would have cost you $2+ per jump forever, so your membership is already worth the money they saved you by that single action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #40 August 14, 2010 @ Devarona: [warning] Personal attacks are not allowed in the forums. [/warning]Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cutaway68 4 #41 August 14, 2010 All this over a 6 year old thread? Don't Pull Low... Unless You ARE!!! The pessimist says, "It can't get any worse than this." The optimist says, "Sure, it can." Be fun, have safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #42 August 14, 2010 Quote I too am tired of the all the USPA bashing. Could be worse. Could be lawyer-bashing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hvance 0 #43 August 14, 2010 Quote All this over a 6 year old thread? How was this even restarted?I wish Google Maps had an "Avoid Ghetto" routing option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites theonlyski 8 #44 August 14, 2010 Quote Quote All this over a 6 year old thread? How was this even restarted? Someone came on here and started complaining that the USPA wasn't helping someone in Puerto Rico start a DZ."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skybytch 273 #45 August 14, 2010 Quote Quote Quote All this over a 6 year old thread? How was this even restarted? Someone came on here and started complaining that the USPA wasn't helping someone in Puerto Rico start a DZ. Puerto Rico is a part of the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stratostar 5 #46 August 14, 2010 Based on the post, no, nor do they understand anything about airports access fights and how to handle those issues and what part of any of that USPA plays a role in..you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites chuckakers 426 #47 August 15, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote The USPA is worthless ...but we (USPA) own the office so it's a good thing because that area of Alexandria is appreciating probably 20-30% per year. 1. Appreciation only matters if you sell, which wouldn't typically be in the plans for a museum. 2. Might wanna check the comps on that property now. Probably won't see anything close to those numbers.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #48 August 15, 2010 The post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cutaway68 4 #49 August 15, 2010 QuoteThe post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year. Uh, OK. Is there a reason it was removed? Don't Pull Low... Unless You ARE!!! The pessimist says, "It can't get any worse than this." The optimist says, "Sure, it can." Be fun, have safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #50 August 15, 2010 Quote Quote The post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year. Uh, OK. Is there a reason it was removed? 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diablopilot 2 #37 August 14, 2010 Have you asked the USPA for help?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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tkhayes 348 #39 August 14, 2010 I too am tired of the all the USPA bashing. The airport in Montana has every right to ask for liability insurance. That is norm in the industry. What also norm in the industry is that the slip-and-fall insurance they want will probably not cover skydiving activities, but that 'skydiving' insurance comes in smaller form through a USPA memberships for the jumpers that jump there. I am pretty sure that USPA has probably 'helped' to their capacity, but they cannot make an airport do anything. If the airport receives federal money, then they have to allow skydiving, but that does not mean skydiving-with-no-insurance. The cheapest we (Skydive City) has ever obtained the required liability insurance is for about $2000 and the most expensive was $11,000. It does NOT cover skydiving activities, but the City also understands that such insurance is only available through USPA membership The liability insurance issue is a cost of doing business and NOT USPA's problem to solve. It would be great if we could get the same state laws that 'exclude' equestrian and similar activities from liability due to the 'high risks' involved and I am sure that USPA is working on that - but I am also not holding my breath. IF you do not think that USPA is doing a good job, then you are free to start your own organization and try to lobby the government yourself. You are also free to build your own private airport or buy land and do whatever the hell you want. Not all battles can be won and we are the bastard child of the aviation industry so we do not have much teeth. Montana or anywhere else. I think USPA does a bang-up job for what they have and what we have as an industry..... USPA stopped an action that would have added a huge federal tax on skydiving activities about 15 years ago. That move alone would have cost you $2+ per jump forever, so your membership is already worth the money they saved you by that single action. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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Cutaway68 4 #41 August 14, 2010 All this over a 6 year old thread? Don't Pull Low... Unless You ARE!!! The pessimist says, "It can't get any worse than this." The optimist says, "Sure, it can." Be fun, have safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #42 August 14, 2010 Quote I too am tired of the all the USPA bashing. Could be worse. Could be lawyer-bashing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hvance 0 #43 August 14, 2010 Quote All this over a 6 year old thread? How was this even restarted?I wish Google Maps had an "Avoid Ghetto" routing option. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theonlyski 8 #44 August 14, 2010 Quote Quote All this over a 6 year old thread? How was this even restarted? Someone came on here and started complaining that the USPA wasn't helping someone in Puerto Rico start a DZ."I may be a dirty pirate hooker...but I'm not about to go stand on the corner." iluvtofly DPH -7, TDS 578, Muff 5153, SCR 14890 I'm an asshole, and I approve this message Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #45 August 14, 2010 Quote Quote Quote All this over a 6 year old thread? How was this even restarted? Someone came on here and started complaining that the USPA wasn't helping someone in Puerto Rico start a DZ. Puerto Rico is a part of the US. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stratostar 5 #46 August 14, 2010 Based on the post, no, nor do they understand anything about airports access fights and how to handle those issues and what part of any of that USPA plays a role in..you can't pay for kids schoolin' with love of skydiving! ~ Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #47 August 15, 2010 QuoteQuoteQuote The USPA is worthless ...but we (USPA) own the office so it's a good thing because that area of Alexandria is appreciating probably 20-30% per year. 1. Appreciation only matters if you sell, which wouldn't typically be in the plans for a museum. 2. Might wanna check the comps on that property now. Probably won't see anything close to those numbers.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites slotperfect 7 #48 August 15, 2010 The post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Cutaway68 4 #49 August 15, 2010 QuoteThe post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year. Uh, OK. Is there a reason it was removed? Don't Pull Low... Unless You ARE!!! The pessimist says, "It can't get any worse than this." The optimist says, "Sure, it can." Be fun, have safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #50 August 15, 2010 Quote Quote The post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year. Uh, OK. Is there a reason it was removed? Yes ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
slotperfect 7 #48 August 15, 2010 The post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year.Arrive Safely John Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cutaway68 4 #49 August 15, 2010 QuoteThe post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year. Uh, OK. Is there a reason it was removed? Don't Pull Low... Unless You ARE!!! The pessimist says, "It can't get any worse than this." The optimist says, "Sure, it can." Be fun, have safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #50 August 15, 2010 Quote Quote The post in question, which has been removed, was from August 13th of this year. Uh, OK. Is there a reason it was removed? Yes ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
