gemini 0 #26 November 4, 2005 QuoteI was cautious as you describe and ended up in the hospital broken because I was underloading my canopy. Does this mean that all the Golden Knights will end up broken because they underload all their huge canopies? I don't think so, but a large canopy can create problems for a jumper too. For example, you will not be able to penetrate a very high wind so you need to learn to adjust your landing pattern accordingly; or to select your out early! On the other hand, the larger canopy may allow you to survive some of the mistakes you may make early in your jumping career. You still need to learn how to fly the monster. Is it the canopy that broke you or did you do or fail to do something? Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #27 November 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteI was cautious as you describe and ended up in the hospital broken because I was underloading my canopy. Does this mean that all the Golden Knights will end up broken because they underload all their huge canopies? I don't think so, but a large canopy can create problems for a jumper too. For example, you will not be able to penetrate a very high wind so you need to learn to adjust your landing pattern accordingly; or to select your out early! On the other hand, the larger canopy may allow you to survive some of the mistakes you may make early in your jumping career. You still need to learn how to fly the monster. Is it the canopy that broke you or did you do or fail to do something? My canopy collapsed @ 25 ft. Never had problems flying it, it was a Spectre 170. I speak for nothing but my own experiences. Just throwing it out there that bigger isn't always better. Sometimes shit happens, that's all.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #28 November 4, 2005 So what was your wing loading? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #29 November 4, 2005 From her profile: Sabre2 150 ft² (0.83 lbs/ft²) 0.73 with a 170 sqft canopy. I dont think that so extremly small :). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #30 November 4, 2005 I was 125lbs w. gear.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #31 November 4, 2005 QuoteFrom her profile: Sabre2 150 ft² (0.83 lbs/ft²) 0.73 with a 170 sqft canopy. I dont think that so extremly small :). I have a Sabre2 150 but have never flown it. Just sitting in the rig. I put on weight after the accident and adjusted my profile accordingly so those numbers aren't right.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #32 November 4, 2005 0.73 is lightly loaded. The case you answered to, most advised wing loadings around 1.1 - 1.2. Do you think a wing loading of 1.1 - 1.2 is dangerously light? tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #33 November 4, 2005 Quote0.73 is lightly loaded. The case you answered to, most advised wing loadings around 1.1 - 1.2. Do you think a wing loading of 1.1 - 1.2 is dangerously light? t I'm saying in my case the bigger canopy worked against me.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #34 November 4, 2005 You said that your canopy collapsed. Are you sure it's because of how lightly you loaded the canopy or would even a smaller canopy with a higher wing loading have still collapsed?Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #35 November 4, 2005 QuoteYou said that your canopy collapsed. Are you sure it's because of how lightly you loaded the canopy or would even a smaller canopy with a higher wing loading have still collapsed? Consensus seemed to be if I was on a smaller canopy it would not have collapsed in like conditions. I have virtually no experience flying a canopy compared to the people I spoke with so I always bow to the experts when I have questions or concerns. No one saw the incident so other than what happened to me during , I couldn't say. I wish I knew more or that 100 people saw it instead of 0. I keep thinking I had to have messed up. I appreciate insight or comments if you have any. *I hope this does not come off wrong because I am not trying to be nasty, close minded, or anything like that.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #36 November 4, 2005 > How then, as a safe skydiver, do you know when you are on the > right, cautious side, of pushing yourself and educating yourself, > compared to crossing over the line and into the (potential) danger > zone of doing something outside of your scope of ability? By a) going slowly, b) testing yourself and c) talking to other people. Make sure to come up with realistic tests - tests that really require you to perform well. Landing in a marked 10 meter circle 10 times out of 10, for example, is a good test. Landing sorta where you want is not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #37 November 4, 2005 >Consensus seemed to be if I was on a smaller canopy it would not have collapsed in like conditions. Or it would have still collapsed, and you would have hit the ground going a lot faster. There's no such thing as an uncollapsible canopy, and in turbulence that will collapse any canopy, you're better off under a larger one. Sometimes a more heavily loaded one will resist turbulence a bit better, but the problem there is that it will still affect the canopy, and you have to be able to deal with the upset. Which is one reason lighter wing loadings are recommended for newer jumpers even in turbulence. That being said, I think it's generally a good idea to get to a loading of about 1 to 1 shortly after graduating AFF; that's a good tradeoff between sensitivity to turbulence and forgiveness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #38 November 4, 2005 No worries. Your response didn't come off wrong. What were the conditions that you were jumping in? I, also, lightly load my canopy - although not as lightly as you and am curious about it as well.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paige 0 #39 November 7, 2005 It was a blue sky day w. a few puffy clouds when we went up but some how it was raining (not pouring but solid drizzle) 10 min. after I landed hard (still minimal clouds however). Winds weren't gusting hard at all, I watched a few loads to get a feel for what things were like. General conclusion was something funky moved in when we were on our way up. You know how the weather can be in FL w. the afternoon showers- it was the early afternoon 11am when I jumped. I was landing in the student area because of my low jump numbers. Hope this helps.Tunnel Pink Mafia Delegate www.TunnelPinkMafia.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #40 November 11, 2005 QuoteMy canopy collapsed @ 25 ft. Same thing happened to me on my third jump. I was flying one of those huge ass Manta student jobs...220..somthings. No wind day so landing direction was based on home rule. When I was just about to start flaring, gust of wind from the rear and my cells deflated....dropped me straight down on my ass. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Throttlebender 0 #41 July 28, 2010 Exactly how I felt with my students. Most of what we do in life is a confidence game....built on a solid foundation.Life expands or contracts in proportion to one's courage. ~Anais Nin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
