kaikai 0 #1 July 3, 2005 I was jumping last week and somthing uuasual happened to me. I just got done having a good freefly sesh. And when I landed my right riser completly came off the 3 ring and was laying on the ground.I noticed nothing when I was under canopy and every thing seemed alright. This freaked the shit out of me. Has anyone heard of this happening before. What do think could have caused this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeordieSkydiver 0 #2 July 3, 2005 Was the riser damaged? Or did the 3 ring on that side cut away? Was the last cut away loop in the 3 ring broken? What about the cut away cable? Were they regularly cleaned? Did you do anything on the jump/descent that could of caused this? Personally I would of went straight from the landing area to the rigger to have them figure out why it happened. Scary shit indeed.Lee _______________________________ In a world full of people, only some want to fly, is that not crazy? http://www.ukskydiver.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kaikai 0 #3 July 3, 2005 I checked it all out with the master rigger and everything was fine . No riser damage , cut away haddle was still intact. The loop was not broken . The cable came through the loop some how. The cable was not regularly cleaned but I just got done cleaning the cable the night before. . Just seeing if anyone has seen this happen.Quote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GeordieSkydiver 0 #4 July 3, 2005 You'd cleaned the cable the night before? Most likely scenario is you misrouted it. Glad you didn't get hurt.Lee _______________________________ In a world full of people, only some want to fly, is that not crazy? http://www.ukskydiver.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #5 July 3, 2005 I have a sneaking suspicion that you routed the white cord through the small ring and through the grommet, but forgot to route it through the AMP fitting (grommet) on the end of the release housing. I know because I made that mistake back in 1984. Did not notice it until I was under canopy!!! I landed fine, then quietly fixed the problem before anyone else noticed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AndyMan 7 #6 July 3, 2005 I've seen it happen twice. In both cases the riser was fine under canopy but disconnected itself after landing. I have no idea why it's happened. In both cases the jumper insisted that he'd previously assembled them correctly. I can only presume that the jumper didn't assemble them correctly... I've wondered if this scenario is a possibility when the cuttaway cord is not passed through the grommet on the end of the housings. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #7 July 3, 2005 QuoteI checked it all out with the master rigger and everything was fine . No riser damage , cut away haddle was still intact. The loop was not broken . The cable came through the loop some how. The cable was not regularly cleaned but I just got done cleaning the cable the night before. . Just seeing if anyone has seen this happen.Quote If nothing was broken there is only one answer, you did not re-assemble them correctly. Rigging is all about attention to detail. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fab 0 #8 July 3, 2005 You definatly misrouted it...double check it next time when you clean your cables.. I saw the same thing with a fellow jumper I was doing CRW with. His reserve was just repacked and the cable was also misrouted. As he was standing next to me on the ground the riser just fell of...We:"What the f*** ". Scared me pretty much as he had a top dock on my chute. Don't want to speculate what could have happened that jump . _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crotalus01 0 #9 July 3, 2005 damn, i am lost - dont have my rig to look at due to a scheduled reserve repack - can someone explain? why would the riser hold under canopy and then fall off when he landed? does it have to do with the pressure of a hanging body suspended by an inflated canopy? or am i way off here? As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #10 July 3, 2005 Use the pictures here to see what I'm on about. The white loop passes (1) through the smallest three-ring, (2) the grommet (hole) in your riser, (3) through the grommet at the end of the silver cutaway housing, and (4) around the yellow cutaway cable. The speculation here is that step (3) was missed out, meaning that the white loop could slide off the end of the cutaway cable. Does that make sense? If not, PM me, and I'll take some photos this evening (it's 10am here). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crotalus01 0 #11 July 4, 2005 thanks, makes perfect sense now. the pics helped. if i had access to my rig i wouldnt have even asked As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BenediktDE 2 #12 July 4, 2005 QuoteI know because I made that mistake back in 1984. Did not notice it until I was under canopy!!! I landed fine, then quietly fixed the problem before anyone else noticed. I did the same early this year in Portugal but did not have the chance to fix it quietly and saw a DZO, my Instructor and late myself turning very very pale... Since then this incident is part of every AFF course on the DZ to teach the students not to touch anything they do not 100% sure with.For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #13 July 4, 2005 Rigs, canopies, and AAD's have very good instructions for maintaining and operating everything. This incident could have been avoided by using the manual. A lot of people don't. Glad you're okay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites faulknerwn 38 #14 July 5, 2005 Happened to me once. I had just hooked up the canopy, but had to undo the cables once or twice to get it straight, and my riser fell off when I set the rig down in the packing area after the skydive.. Egads! Mine I'm sure was my own stupidity. I'm a lot more careful now... W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #15 July 5, 2005 Have you confirmed that both sides of the cutaway teflon are the correct length? The right side of mine was too short and would come out of the keeper upon opening. It was a little eerie sometimes to look right and see the tip of it only a few inches from the shoe-string. Wings sent me a new one immediately once I brought it to their attention. Another wings jumper told me he had the same thing happen. A few wings containers were just matted with cutaway handles designed for smaller rigs. The teflon cable should do it's job and have a good length left to be stored behind the riser. Check for that. Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #16 July 6, 2005 I'm gonna definetly go with what Rob said. I saw it happen to a jumper at The Ranch last year. He had hooked up his own main and not put the white loop through the grommet on the end of the cable housing. When he landed and the canopy hit the ground, the yellow cable slid out of the loop and the 3 rings fell apart. Sounds like the same happened to you. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #17 July 8, 2005 This incident could have been avoided by using the manual. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manuals are most often found in DZ trash cans. Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Designer 0 #18 July 8, 2005 Yikes,very scary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #19 July 8, 2005 So in this scenario....the fact that a suspended mass is placing 'tension' on the cable and the loop assembly... holds everything in place.... remove that tension ( unloading the canopy) decreases the 'bonding' between said loop and cable so the loop can slide off............ How does the loop slide over the cable when the distal end should be housed in some sort of 'keeper'...? or why would the cable come 'out' of this keeper...exposing the distal end..? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #20 July 8, 2005 try this on your rig Assemble the 3 rings without putting the white loop through the grommet on the end of the housing. Just put the loop through the riser grommet and put the yellow cable through that. Hold the riser up and you will see it stays assembled. Now let the riser fall to the floor like when the canopy hits the ground. With no grommet holding the housing close to the canopy, the housing and the cable will likely stay pointed up and when the riser falls the 3 rings will likely seperate. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BenediktDE 2 #21 July 9, 2005 Wow, sounds like not routing the loop through the housing's grommet is a common mistake. In this thread 5 cases were reported - luckily nothing serious happened to anyone.For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. 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GeordieSkydiver 0 #4 July 3, 2005 You'd cleaned the cable the night before? Most likely scenario is you misrouted it. Glad you didn't get hurt.Lee _______________________________ In a world full of people, only some want to fly, is that not crazy? http://www.ukskydiver.co.uk Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #5 July 3, 2005 I have a sneaking suspicion that you routed the white cord through the small ring and through the grommet, but forgot to route it through the AMP fitting (grommet) on the end of the release housing. I know because I made that mistake back in 1984. Did not notice it until I was under canopy!!! I landed fine, then quietly fixed the problem before anyone else noticed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #6 July 3, 2005 I've seen it happen twice. In both cases the riser was fine under canopy but disconnected itself after landing. I have no idea why it's happened. In both cases the jumper insisted that he'd previously assembled them correctly. I can only presume that the jumper didn't assemble them correctly... I've wondered if this scenario is a possibility when the cuttaway cord is not passed through the grommet on the end of the housings. _Am__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #7 July 3, 2005 QuoteI checked it all out with the master rigger and everything was fine . No riser damage , cut away haddle was still intact. The loop was not broken . The cable came through the loop some how. The cable was not regularly cleaned but I just got done cleaning the cable the night before. . Just seeing if anyone has seen this happen.Quote If nothing was broken there is only one answer, you did not re-assemble them correctly. Rigging is all about attention to detail. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Fab 0 #8 July 3, 2005 You definatly misrouted it...double check it next time when you clean your cables.. I saw the same thing with a fellow jumper I was doing CRW with. His reserve was just repacked and the cable was also misrouted. As he was standing next to me on the ground the riser just fell of...We:"What the f*** ". Scared me pretty much as he had a top dock on my chute. Don't want to speculate what could have happened that jump . _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crotalus01 0 #9 July 3, 2005 damn, i am lost - dont have my rig to look at due to a scheduled reserve repack - can someone explain? why would the riser hold under canopy and then fall off when he landed? does it have to do with the pressure of a hanging body suspended by an inflated canopy? or am i way off here? As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bob.dino 1 #10 July 3, 2005 Use the pictures here to see what I'm on about. The white loop passes (1) through the smallest three-ring, (2) the grommet (hole) in your riser, (3) through the grommet at the end of the silver cutaway housing, and (4) around the yellow cutaway cable. The speculation here is that step (3) was missed out, meaning that the white loop could slide off the end of the cutaway cable. Does that make sense? If not, PM me, and I'll take some photos this evening (it's 10am here). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crotalus01 0 #11 July 4, 2005 thanks, makes perfect sense now. the pics helped. if i had access to my rig i wouldnt have even asked As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BenediktDE 2 #12 July 4, 2005 QuoteI know because I made that mistake back in 1984. Did not notice it until I was under canopy!!! I landed fine, then quietly fixed the problem before anyone else noticed. I did the same early this year in Portugal but did not have the chance to fix it quietly and saw a DZO, my Instructor and late myself turning very very pale... Since then this incident is part of every AFF course on the DZ to teach the students not to touch anything they do not 100% sure with.For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #13 July 4, 2005 Rigs, canopies, and AAD's have very good instructions for maintaining and operating everything. This incident could have been avoided by using the manual. A lot of people don't. Glad you're okay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites faulknerwn 38 #14 July 5, 2005 Happened to me once. I had just hooked up the canopy, but had to undo the cables once or twice to get it straight, and my riser fell off when I set the rig down in the packing area after the skydive.. Egads! Mine I'm sure was my own stupidity. I'm a lot more careful now... W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites goose491 0 #15 July 5, 2005 Have you confirmed that both sides of the cutaway teflon are the correct length? The right side of mine was too short and would come out of the keeper upon opening. It was a little eerie sometimes to look right and see the tip of it only a few inches from the shoe-string. Wings sent me a new one immediately once I brought it to their attention. Another wings jumper told me he had the same thing happen. A few wings containers were just matted with cutaway handles designed for smaller rigs. The teflon cable should do it's job and have a good length left to be stored behind the riser. Check for that. Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #16 July 6, 2005 I'm gonna definetly go with what Rob said. I saw it happen to a jumper at The Ranch last year. He had hooked up his own main and not put the white loop through the grommet on the end of the cable housing. When he landed and the canopy hit the ground, the yellow cable slid out of the loop and the 3 rings fell apart. Sounds like the same happened to you. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #17 July 8, 2005 This incident could have been avoided by using the manual. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manuals are most often found in DZ trash cans. Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Designer 0 #18 July 8, 2005 Yikes,very scary Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zoter 0 #19 July 8, 2005 So in this scenario....the fact that a suspended mass is placing 'tension' on the cable and the loop assembly... holds everything in place.... remove that tension ( unloading the canopy) decreases the 'bonding' between said loop and cable so the loop can slide off............ How does the loop slide over the cable when the distal end should be housed in some sort of 'keeper'...? or why would the cable come 'out' of this keeper...exposing the distal end..? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites johnny1488 1 #20 July 8, 2005 try this on your rig Assemble the 3 rings without putting the white loop through the grommet on the end of the housing. Just put the loop through the riser grommet and put the yellow cable through that. Hold the riser up and you will see it stays assembled. Now let the riser fall to the floor like when the canopy hits the ground. With no grommet holding the housing close to the canopy, the housing and the cable will likely stay pointed up and when the riser falls the 3 rings will likely seperate. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BenediktDE 2 #21 July 9, 2005 Wow, sounds like not routing the loop through the housing's grommet is a common mistake. In this thread 5 cases were reported - luckily nothing serious happened to anyone.For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. 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Fab 0 #8 July 3, 2005 You definatly misrouted it...double check it next time when you clean your cables.. I saw the same thing with a fellow jumper I was doing CRW with. His reserve was just repacked and the cable was also misrouted. As he was standing next to me on the ground the riser just fell of...We:"What the f*** ". Scared me pretty much as he had a top dock on my chute. Don't want to speculate what could have happened that jump . _______________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #9 July 3, 2005 damn, i am lost - dont have my rig to look at due to a scheduled reserve repack - can someone explain? why would the riser hold under canopy and then fall off when he landed? does it have to do with the pressure of a hanging body suspended by an inflated canopy? or am i way off here? As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bob.dino 1 #10 July 3, 2005 Use the pictures here to see what I'm on about. The white loop passes (1) through the smallest three-ring, (2) the grommet (hole) in your riser, (3) through the grommet at the end of the silver cutaway housing, and (4) around the yellow cutaway cable. The speculation here is that step (3) was missed out, meaning that the white loop could slide off the end of the cutaway cable. Does that make sense? If not, PM me, and I'll take some photos this evening (it's 10am here). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #11 July 4, 2005 thanks, makes perfect sense now. the pics helped. if i had access to my rig i wouldnt have even asked As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #12 July 4, 2005 QuoteI know because I made that mistake back in 1984. Did not notice it until I was under canopy!!! I landed fine, then quietly fixed the problem before anyone else noticed. I did the same early this year in Portugal but did not have the chance to fix it quietly and saw a DZO, my Instructor and late myself turning very very pale... Since then this incident is part of every AFF course on the DZ to teach the students not to touch anything they do not 100% sure with.For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #13 July 4, 2005 Rigs, canopies, and AAD's have very good instructions for maintaining and operating everything. This incident could have been avoided by using the manual. A lot of people don't. Glad you're okay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
faulknerwn 38 #14 July 5, 2005 Happened to me once. I had just hooked up the canopy, but had to undo the cables once or twice to get it straight, and my riser fell off when I set the rig down in the packing area after the skydive.. Egads! Mine I'm sure was my own stupidity. I'm a lot more careful now... W Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
goose491 0 #15 July 5, 2005 Have you confirmed that both sides of the cutaway teflon are the correct length? The right side of mine was too short and would come out of the keeper upon opening. It was a little eerie sometimes to look right and see the tip of it only a few inches from the shoe-string. Wings sent me a new one immediately once I brought it to their attention. Another wings jumper told me he had the same thing happen. A few wings containers were just matted with cutaway handles designed for smaller rigs. The teflon cable should do it's job and have a good length left to be stored behind the riser. Check for that. Nick My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #16 July 6, 2005 I'm gonna definetly go with what Rob said. I saw it happen to a jumper at The Ranch last year. He had hooked up his own main and not put the white loop through the grommet on the end of the cable housing. When he landed and the canopy hit the ground, the yellow cable slid out of the loop and the 3 rings fell apart. Sounds like the same happened to you. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #17 July 8, 2005 This incident could have been avoided by using the manual. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Manuals are most often found in DZ trash cans. Hah! Hah! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zoter 0 #19 July 8, 2005 So in this scenario....the fact that a suspended mass is placing 'tension' on the cable and the loop assembly... holds everything in place.... remove that tension ( unloading the canopy) decreases the 'bonding' between said loop and cable so the loop can slide off............ How does the loop slide over the cable when the distal end should be housed in some sort of 'keeper'...? or why would the cable come 'out' of this keeper...exposing the distal end..? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #20 July 8, 2005 try this on your rig Assemble the 3 rings without putting the white loop through the grommet on the end of the housing. Just put the loop through the riser grommet and put the yellow cable through that. Hold the riser up and you will see it stays assembled. Now let the riser fall to the floor like when the canopy hits the ground. With no grommet holding the housing close to the canopy, the housing and the cable will likely stay pointed up and when the riser falls the 3 rings will likely seperate. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BenediktDE 2 #21 July 9, 2005 Wow, sounds like not routing the loop through the housing's grommet is a common mistake. In this thread 5 cases were reported - luckily nothing serious happened to anyone.For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
