freefalle 0 #1 June 17, 2005 Please be careful, it can happen to anyone. Including you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alw 0 #2 June 17, 2005 If you don't mind sharing - how'd it happen? --------------------------------------------- Every day is a bonus - every night is an adventure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freefalle 0 #3 June 17, 2005 honestly, I just flat out lost alt. awareness, I was shooting video and stills, I was flying on my back shooting above me. The person I was photographing pulled lower than I thought they were going to. They pulled about 3k, I was still on my back, I rolled over and dumped I was at about 1900 when I pulled, I have a long snivel and it put me in the saddle at 900. scared the shit out of myself. I still dont know why I never heard the first 2 alarms going off. I've heard it every time since then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Praetorian 1 #4 June 17, 2005 you were deep in the "cypres may activate higher during a deployment" zone ... do you have one? if yes .. was it on? (very curious not trying to start shEYEt) Good Judgment comes from experience...a lot of experience comes from bad judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ockers 0 #5 June 17, 2005 Sh!!!!!!t My Mrs would have killed me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alw 0 #6 June 17, 2005 Very believable. I recently made a jump with a videographer/photographer. I think his middle name is Safetyfirst, but heard the same thing "I thought you were going to pull at (insert altitude here). Of course judging by my profile, you can infer that it was a relatively safe margin, and I do understand the comment - his risk was an out landing not a low pull. Still his focus cost him the usual 10 step to the packing mat landing and got me a really good landing shot (since he was way out there anyway). I've stayed alive for a good long while even though I've lived most of it in high risk circumstances, enough to have given my wife's hair a permanent frost and highlight at a very early age. I can count on one hand the number of times I've come full awake in the middle of the night thinking "OH SHIT" that was dumb! The good news is every one of those times still gives me cold sweats. Thanks for sharing. Hope the chills last for you too. Added: Lowest Altitude check this year --------------------------------------------- Every day is a bonus - every night is an adventure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks 0 #7 June 17, 2005 QuoteI rolled over and dumped I was at about 1900 when I pulled, I have a long snivel the lower you pull the longer the snivel... so be carefull... try pulling at terminal velocity at 9,000 ft. the opening will be much quicker. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #8 June 17, 2005 I rolled over and dumped I was at about 1900 when I pulled, I have a long snivel and it put me in the saddle at 900. *** What would your hard deck cut away alitude have been? ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Skygirl 0 #9 June 17, 2005 The dumbest thing I ever did in my short skydive career... well... once I landed in a maisfield as I was desperately trying to reach the dropzone and... for a few meters I didn't reach it. As the mais was aproaching I flared, but the mais was gigh, so flared to high from the ground itself and fell on my bottom. It has been a year and i still hurts when the whether changes... but it still was a fun day for me ;)------------------------------------------------- No dive, like skydive... wanna bet on it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #10 June 17, 2005 Damn dude, that is pretty low. I have only seen one lower than that on a protrack and that was 200ft. Yes it was mine, but only cause my helmet came off at 5k with my protrack still in it. If anybody is wondering, a bonehead pimpdaddy mindward falls at approx 80mph. Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scrumpot 1 #11 June 17, 2005 And you had a rescue parachute equipped with it that fired at 200 AGL? ...How cool! Seriously though, if your helmet with protrack in it presumably went in ...how/why the 200' AGL openning report/display? Just wondering. And to the dude falling on his back shooting vid (presumably UNDER the group) at or around breakoff (presumably planned), Seriously, if they broke at 3k (acknowledged, apparently low for your "plan") Still... ...another 1,100ft for you to flip belly-to-earth, get stable and deploy? Was it also in your plan for you to have center in that situation, or rather perhaps were you also to take a 180 from center yourself too, and track? Something still does not (to me) quite add up. Looking back on all this, what different would you do now, and take away from this/recommend to others that they learn from this incident, other than "it can happen to anybody"? THANK YOU for actually having the consideration and concern to actually share this, with us all! Blues, -Grantcoitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brains 2 #12 June 17, 2005 QuoteAnd you had a rescue parachute equipped with it that fired at 200 AGL? ...How cool! Seriously though, if your helmet with protrack in it presumably went in ...how/why the 200' AGL openning report/display? Just wondering. Honestly couldn't tell you. We found the helmet in a field just off the dz and my protrack was laying on the ground next to it. It also recorded 108 sec. of freefall. Only thing i could think of was the helmet was flipping around and the protrack was in and out of airstream?? Never look down on someone, unless they are going down on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tenshi 0 #13 June 17, 2005 Quotemaisfield Mais is Dutch for corn. So a maisfield is a cornfield. Just so you know what happened Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Spizzzarko 0 #14 June 17, 2005 Why are you relying on a DYTER for altitude awareness? You should be using your altimeter, and your body clock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #15 June 17, 2005 Quotenever again.jpg Look on the bright side: you got 81 seconds of freefall! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #16 June 17, 2005 And you didn't do this . . . http://www.skydivingmovies.com/ Look for "double_cypress_save.wmv" "Holy Fuxxking shit, man . . ." NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AdrenalineBluez 0 #17 June 17, 2005 I recently has this happen as well. Though I was not as low as you were. However, I was well below where I should have been. I didn't have any other distractions other than I was in a rush because the dive plan allowed only a 1000ft from break off to deployment. Being a newbie I like more time after break off to make sure I get a good track. I just flat out tracked too long and dumped in a hurry when I heard my final warning go off while staring wide eyed at my alti... It scared the sh*t out of me, and is nothing I want to EVER repeat... I should say it's nothing I will EVER repeat... "Uh oh! This is gonna hurt!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
powertoad 0 #18 June 17, 2005 Hey, I am curious. Why does a canopy snivel more at lower altitudes? I know the air is thinner higher, seems like it would have the opposite effect. What are the physics? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #19 June 17, 2005 QuoteWhy does a canopy snivel more at lower altitudes Murphy's law. Whatever can go wrong will, and at the worst possible time. Also temporal distortion. If you actually know how low you are, it seems to take longer. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AMax 0 #20 June 17, 2005 Quote I still dont know why I never heard the first 2 alarms going off. I've heard it every time since then. This has been extensively discussed before - completely relying on ProTrack may get you in trouble. I love the little thing but it did malfunction on me twice - the device was reading the altitudes wrong (presumably due to low battery). Fortunately, it was showing that I was lower than I really was. Still a good lesson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RkyMtnHigh 0 #21 June 18, 2005 damn chuck I suppose you can consider this one a wakeup call. I'm sure you'll be more aware from now on. _________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #22 June 18, 2005 damn dude...you were pretty damn close to scaring your cypres. That would've been interesting. good luck buddy. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mixoligist 0 #23 June 20, 2005 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1544199;#1544199 .................................. Better you than me .................................. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #24 June 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI rolled over and dumped I was at about 1900 when I pulled, I have a long snivel the lower you pull the longer the snivel... so be carefull... try pulling at terminal velocity at 9,000 ft. the opening will be much quicker. Does the altitude really affect how fast the opening will be? I've heard something about G forces at the higher altitudes, but not snivel time at the low end...... I need some edumacating.........thanks Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #25 June 25, 2005 I once had my leg-strap buckle get snagged on another jumper while floating an exit off a King Air. I didn't even know it, but my leg strap got pulled all the way out to the end. It wasn't until break-off when I turned to track, did I realize something was wrong when I feel it flapping against my leg. We broke at 4000 feet. It took me forever to get ahold of the end of the strap, and a good couple of yanks on it to get it cinched back up and then I immediately pitched my PC while checking my altimeter, FUCK!!! I was already at 1300 at pull time, and in the saddle at 700 feet under a Triathlon 120 loaded 1.5:1... I shudder to think if I had deployed my main with the leg strap fully extended. I would likely have had a spinning mal... then a double mal... That was back in 1998 or so... before I got a Cypres."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
