Why so much RW hatred

[mirage62 0]

I have noticed this about FF. When I started 13 yrs ago FF was new and they would jump with ANYBODY because there were few that did it and even fewer that did it well. You NEVER heard the question "How many jumps do you have?" Now they are doing world records.....

It's all good but the idea that FF is some super form of skydiving that takes the great leap of talent is just silly....same if you said RW was harder.

Also at one time FF was going to be the death of RW but RW is still here and people are having fun with both.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[Andy9o8 2]

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I prefer the flying challenge of RW. I started getting bored of free flying before I hit 50 jumps. Flopping around and sticking my tongue out and hoping no one kills the 3 guys with cameras while zooming at each other...... boring.

And you think freeflying is not a challenge?

You think that trying to get grips in a headdown position is not challenging as trying to get them on belly?

Seriously, every fresh off AFF status newbie can go on a 4way RW dive, you can't say this about freeflying, so really, you got 3k+ jumps and you're talkin bullshit..

Yeah, except 8 out of 10 "freeflyers" just proximity-geek each other until pull time. Sit, geek, head, geek, sit, geek, sorta track, pull too close to each other. Back in the early 60s they did that, too: they called them baton passes, except they used real batons.

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It's all good but the idea that FF is some super form of skydiving that takes the great leap of talent is just silly....same if you said RW was harder.

It's pretty safe to say that FF is technically 'harder' than belly-flying and therefore (in groups) so is adjusting fall-rate, docking, etc...

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[Sangi 0]

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Yeah, except 8 out of 10 "freeflyers" just proximity-geek each other until pull time. Sit, geek, head, geek, sit, geek, sorta track, pull too close to each other. Back in the early 60s they did that, too: they called them baton passes, except they used real batons.

Yeh and belly flyers just turn, grip, turn, grip, turn, grip, turn grip, sorta sideslide once in a while and then track off to deploy...

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[Andy9o8 2]

Here's your baton.

[trig78 0]

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Heck, anyone with one jump can stick a camera on their head, get a baggy jumpsuit get unstable and flop around.

Soooo that what i was doing on my first jumps! Cooool. LoL

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[yeyo 1]

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Yeah, except 8 out of 10 "freeflyers" just proximity-geek each other until pull time. Sit, geek, head, geek, sit, geek, sorta track, pull too close to each other. Back in the early 60s they did that, too: they called them baton passes, except they used real batons.

Cant beleive no one has said anything, everybody knows freefliers track better than rw'ers.... Im neither btw

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[mjosparky 4]

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It's all good but the idea that FF is some super form of skydiving that takes the great leap of talent is just silly....same if you said RW was harder.

It's pretty safe to say that FF is technically 'harder' than belly-flying and therefore (in groups) so is adjusting fall-rate, docking, etc...

At just over 100 jumps and type of jumping is technically "harder". FF is just RW upside down.

Sparky

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[mjosparky 4]

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we all flatfly - on pulltime!

Where have I heard that before?

Sparky

My idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals

[virgin-burner 1]

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we all flatfly - on pulltime!

Where have I heard that before?

Sparky

come on, if it wasnt for the friendly banter, i like our bellyfliers; as long as the whole dz doesnt consist of them, i'm fine..

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[anthonyfellows 0]

PuSsIeS BiG?

KiKi? Are you banned from here, trying, or just sitting around being hot?

Maybe I'm just a little drunk? But still .... To those who are giving you shit (OP), shit in their face!

Oh yeah ... And ... PuSsIeS BiG!!! Remember the legend!

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It's all good but the idea that FF is some super form of skydiving that takes the great leap of talent is just silly....same if you said RW was harder.

It's pretty safe to say that FF is technically 'harder' than belly-flying and therefore (in groups) so is adjusting fall-rate, docking, etc...

At just over 100 jumps and type of jumping is technically "harder". FF is just RW upside down.

Sparky

It's not????????????????? or is that something you learn at 2300 jumps...

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[Andy9o8 2]

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everybody knows freefliers track better than rw'ers.

They think they are. What with the backflying and the barrel rolls, it's a wonder there aren't more mid-airs at pull time.

[diablopilot 2]

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It's all good but the idea that FF is some super form of skydiving that takes the great leap of talent is just silly....same if you said RW was harder.

It's pretty safe to say that FF is technically 'harder' than belly-flying and therefore (in groups) so is adjusting fall-rate, docking, etc...

It's pretty safe to say not only is your statement incorrect, but you haven't got the experience to be making it.

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It's all good but the idea that FF is some super form of skydiving that takes the great leap of talent is just silly....same if you said RW was harder.

It's pretty safe to say that FF is technically 'harder' than belly-flying and therefore (in groups) so is adjusting fall-rate, docking, etc...

It's pretty safe to say not only is your statement incorrect, but you haven't got the experience to be making it.

Please.... there is no way you can tell me that technical belly flying is as difficult as technical sit or head-down flying. I don't need to have 1000 rides on a bicycle and a 1000 rides on a unicycle to tell you that it's more difficult to ride a unicycle.

Nice try...

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[Calvin19 0]

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It's all good but the idea that FF is some super form of skydiving that takes the great leap of talent is just silly....same if you said RW was harder.

It's pretty safe to say that FF is technically 'harder' than belly-flying and therefore (in groups) so is adjusting fall-rate, docking, etc...

It's pretty safe to say not only is your statement incorrect, but you haven't got the experience to be making it.

hmmm... It makes sense to me. higher speed, inherent instability, cork factor. I would say that high end free flying competition is significantly more technical than RW. Of course the god of freeflying probably cannot RW worth crap. (cue someone proving that wrong) but there is a reason head down flying is not in AFF level 4.

I maintain that competition in any field of parachuting goes against my personal reasons for appreciating the sports. (BASE race notwithstanding)

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[popsjumper 2]

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Yeah, except 8 out of 10 "freeflyers" just proximity-geek each other until pull time. Sit, geek, head, geek, sit, geek, sorta track, pull too close to each other. Back in the early 60s they did that, too: they called them baton passes, except they used real batons.

Yeh and belly flyers just turn, grip, turn, grip, turn, grip, turn grip, sorta sideslide once in a while and then track off to deploy...

...which takes skill and discipline at all levels. Freeflying is nothing more than semi-controlled flailing except in the upper echelons. If you can't fly on your belly, then call it freeflying! Kinda like weirdo tracking being called "atmonauti".

My reality and yours are quite different.
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[kallend 2,026]

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Of course the god of freeflying probably cannot RW worth crap. (cue someone proving that wrong) but there is a reason head down flying is not in AFF level 4.

On cue: Rook Nelson has RW and FF medals from the same Nationals and was on the 246 way world record in 1998. Trent Alkek and Stevie Boyd were on the Texas State Record 150 way.

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[skybill 22]

Hi John and every body else,
When I started jumping there was for competition Style and Accuracy (period!). There was NO RW!!, just us "Fun Jumpers" and as far as the S/A freaks cared, we didn't count. I say "We" because I was one of those disgusting "Fun Jumpers!" But "We" didn't care and kept fun jumping and even went to S n' A meets, competed against the hard core S n' A types, partied hardy with everybody on Saturday night and even though "We" didn't win, we still had "FUN!"' I don't have ta' tell ya' what happened next?? The sound of the single engine cessna 182 got over shadowed by the coughing, sputtering, smoke belching, oil slinging, klackking roar to life of twin 450 Prats and the sound of 10 men yelling "3-2-1-GO!!" in a practice line up. The S n' A types tried to say that "We" still didn't count but "We" didn't care and went up and did,"10-MAN!!" Then along came this new stuff called "Sequential RW" that grew out of "10-MAN" "and" down the road came Freak Flying, Free Flying, Board Flying, Up-Side-Down(I don't do that too much as the blood rushes to my head and I get dizzy!!)Flying and God knows what else!! I'd toss in Swoopin' but that's under canopy like CREW. It's just too bad that someone that does "One kind of jumpin' only" has to get upset if you or me does somethin' diffrent. I like to "Skydive" and that is to me best described in the immortal words of Jerry Bird,"Skydiving is having fun in freefall with your friends!!" And then there's this,"We're here to jump and have fun..we don't need any rules or restrictions--we're restricted enough by our own abilities...Rules or no rules, when we cut on jumprun, we're going to hang as many guys as we can get outside the airplane and build the fastest, cleanest formation we can...." This was the philosophy of the "Clear-Eyed Homegrown" 10-MAN team at the 1974 Casa Grande "Chute Out" as expressed by Matt Farmer.

"RW Hatred??" I'm sure there are a few people who may express this "misguided attitude" but I wonder, "Are they 'Skydivers??'"

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[ufk22 33]

In spite of the appearance of huge egos in this sport, for a lot of people it's just a front. Plain and simple insecurity.
In other words "I do what I do to be cool. If you're doing something else, it doesn't reinforce that what I'm doing is cool." This causes me to doubt my "coolness". Therefore I must challenge what you're doing to in the attempt to reinforce my own weak self-concept of my "coolness". The arguments over what's harder posted here are just another example. Who cares what THEY think???
Just have fun.
That, or you're just a dweeb

This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer.

[Stewie 0]

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I maintain that competition in any field of parachuting goes against my personal reasons for appreciating the sports.

WRONG! Everything must be a dick measuring contest!!!!

Sadly, I'm hung like a canary. So I guess I'll just have fun.

"Fuck that. I'll take a good ass-pounding over a bj any day." -- pyrotech

[JDL402 0]

I only have a year in the sport and just over 100 jumps but I learned early that the FF folk just know how to have more fun!

But honestly I skydive to have fun and freeflying is just way more fun for me than taking grips on my belly.

[mirage62 0]

I have noticed that in general RW folks seem to be more goal driven in there skydiving. "points" getting it "right" Were the FF seem to be more relaxed just having fun. GENERALLY

NEITHER is better, it's just two different ways to enjoy what they do.

Tracking......hell there FF don't seem to be any better or worse at it than RW folks. Obviously the people that do a lot of tracking dives should get better and these TEND to come from the FF group.

It's all good

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[rehmwa 2]

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I prefer the flying challenge of RW. I started getting bored of free flying before I hit 50 jumps. Flopping around and sticking my tongue out and hoping no one kills the 3 guys with cameras while zooming at each other...... boring.

And you think freeflying is not a challenge?

You think that trying to get grips in a headdown position is not challenging as trying to get them on belly?

Seriously, every fresh off AFF status newbie can go on a 4way RW dive, you can't say this about freeflying, so really, you got 3k+ jumps and you're talkin bullshit..

And you "seriously" didn't see that post was mocking someone else's post of the almost exact same verbage?

You can buy off on the "better vs worse", or the "I'm cooler than you" garbage you're advocating, but that's the whole point of the thread - I mean, except for CrW dawgs () you can find challenge and goals (or just airbaths) in any skydive discipline. Own it. I can go up with you and do a kick ass freefly any time you like, we can hit the ground and switch suits, and I'll show you a 4-way that'll take your breath away too. I think that's a great way to approach just these too.

I really wish I had time and resources to do more CrW and learn wingsuiting too, but my plate's pretty full with just RW and FF and Teaching. I need more time and money....

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