PolinaVin 0 #1 March 30, 2014 A wofo friend of mine asked me to do a flag jump and I was wondering what complications/ factors I should consider if I decided to do the jump. This wouldn't be a demo jump. I have 440 jumps and about 5 Crew jumps. Thanks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #2 March 30, 2014 Sit down with the S&TA at your DZ and discuss this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #3 March 30, 2014 PolinaVinA wofo friend of mine asked me to do a flag jump and I was wondering what complications/ factors I should consider if I decided to do the jump. This wouldn't be a demo jump. I have 440 jumps and about 5 Crew jumps. Thanks!A flag jump IS a demo jump. Where are you jumping and landing?This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #4 March 30, 2014 What Grimm said. There are so many things to consider; -Containing the flag -deploying with a flag -attention span when connecting/setting up -attachment points -canopy choice -landing -emergency procedures >>These are just the bullet points. The only thing "demo" brings to the table is whether you're landing in front of a crowd. The rest is the same, and it requires significantly more attention and focus on detail than you'll find on the internet. Find not only an S&TA, but someone that has a fair amount of experience with flags. FWIW, the size of the flag is a bit of a conversation, but the elements of any addition to your rig/setup really does matter. A 5' flag can hurt you just as easily as a 50' flag. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #5 March 30, 2014 Lets add actually manufacturing the flag to that list too... Remember the incident which almost killed someone when the weight came off the bag and went through a whuffos house? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gunpaq 1 #6 March 30, 2014 Like grimmie said, "Sit down with the S&TA at your DZ and discuss this. " You want to do it safe, legal and right or not at all. Also, if jumping Old Glory please use proper flag Etiquette since that flag represents all who served under it, your Nation, and your fellow citizens. Do your homework, do your planning, get cleared by your S&TA, do your practing and then go do it right if feasible. www.geronimoskydiving.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #7 March 31, 2014 ufk22***A wofo friend of mine asked me to do a flag jump and I was wondering what complications/ factors I should consider if I decided to do the jump. This wouldn't be a demo jump. I have 440 jumps and about 5 Crew jumps. Thanks!A flag jump IS a demo jump. Where are you jumping and landing? A flag jump isn't necessarily a demo jump. A demo is a demo. A flag jump is a flag jump. Sometimes they are the same, sometimes not. If one jumps a flag at the DZ for practice for example it would not be a demo. Not that the difference really matters in the context of this thread, but I hate to see blatantly incorrect information spread.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #8 March 31, 2014 Quote A flag jump isn't necessarily a demo jump. A demo is a demo. A flag jump is a flag jump. Sometimes they are the same, sometimes not. If one jumps a flag at the DZ for practice for example it would not be a demo. Not that the difference really matters in the context of this thread, but I hate to see blatantly incorrect information spread. I jump a small flag almost every fun jump I make...for a couple of reasons. ~it adds the technical tasks associated to an 'otherwise' low stress jump (comparatively speaking, regarding an actual demo) Practice makes perfect. ~it tends to get noticed by people setting up for the pattern, being SEEN is a GOOD thing! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #9 March 31, 2014 chuckakers******A wofo friend of mine asked me to do a flag jump and I was wondering what complications/ factors I should consider if I decided to do the jump. This wouldn't be a demo jump. I have 440 jumps and about 5 Crew jumps. Thanks!A flag jump IS a demo jump. Where are you jumping and landing? A flag jump isn't necessarily a demo jump. A demo is a demo. A flag jump is a flag jump. Sometimes they are the same, sometimes not. If one jumps a flag at the DZ for practice for example it would not be a demo. Not that the difference really matters in the context of this thread, but I hate to see blatantly incorrect information spread.My point was that anytime you jump with a flag it's not a normal skydive. Whether you're landing at the airport or landing in a private back yard, a flag jump has to be treated differently than a skydive. I've got a number of flag jumps, with little and with really big, and I treat even the practice ones like a real demo. Where I exit, how I fly, where I fly, how I land.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckakers 426 #10 March 31, 2014 ufk22*********A wofo friend of mine asked me to do a flag jump and I was wondering what complications/ factors I should consider if I decided to do the jump. This wouldn't be a demo jump. I have 440 jumps and about 5 Crew jumps. Thanks!A flag jump IS a demo jump. Where are you jumping and landing? A flag jump isn't necessarily a demo jump. A demo is a demo. A flag jump is a flag jump. Sometimes they are the same, sometimes not. If one jumps a flag at the DZ for practice for example it would not be a demo. Not that the difference really matters in the context of this thread, but I hate to see blatantly incorrect information spread.My point was that anytime you jump with a flag it's not a normal skydive. Whether you're landing at the airport or landing in a private back yard, a flag jump has to be treated differently than a skydive. I've got a number of flag jumps, with little and with really big, and I treat even the practice ones like a real demo. Where I exit, how I fly, where I fly, how I land. I don't have a problem with your logic, just the terminology you used. There are many new jumpers who look to these forums for information so it's important to discern between language used to get a point across and the literal use of terms. I wouldn't want someone to believe that because a person is jumping a flag that they are therefore performing a demo jump by definition. Probably better to simply call any jump that is out of the ordinary an "extraordinary" jump.Chuck Akers D-10855 Houston, TX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #11 April 2, 2014 chuckakers I don't have a problem with your logic, just the terminology you used. There are many new jumpers who look to these forums for information so it's important to discern between language used to get a point across and the literal use of terms. I wouldn't want someone to believe that because a person is jumping a flag that they are therefore performing a demo jump by definition. Probably better to simply call any jump that is out of the ordinary an "extraordinary" jump. Thanks for emphasizing the point, Chuck. We need to watch our words carefully. Like saying "This handle release your main and then this handle releases your reserve." Well Hell, if I've released my main canopy, I need a handle to deploy my reserve, not release it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
