Joea 0 #1 April 16, 2010 If you're on Facebook, check out this page. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/pages/The-Lutz-Award/105432892831417 The Lutz Award is given to a newb or media outlet from anywhere in the world, that does its best to bad mouth our sport through sheer ignorance... a la Scott Lutz. The more people from the around the world who join, the more nominees there could be. If it catches on, maybe the awards will eventually be televised. It's a bit of fun.It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
redlegphi 0 #2 April 16, 2010 I'd like to propose a 10 year limit on making fun of failed skydivers who haven't actually sued a DZ/Instructor/Rigger/etc. I mean, yeah, what the guy did was moronic and he besmirched our fine sport on television repeatedly with his nonsense, but I'm pretty sure the only people who even remember who he is and what he did are skydivers. I would venture that there are thousands of skydivers who currently have their D license who hadn't begun skydiving yet when Lutz made his fateful jump. Maybe it's time we let it go and find somebody new to kick around. Just a suggestion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kkeenan 14 #3 April 16, 2010 Quote ...Maybe it's time we let it go and find somebody new to kick around. Just a suggestion. Hey, we're always up for someone new to kick around. Tell us about your biggest mistake. Maybe it qualifies. _____________________________________ Dude, you are so awesome... Can I be on your ash jump ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jim_32766 0 #4 April 16, 2010 The challenge will be to find anyone that had such a widely publicized and outrageous skydive. My guess is the media deserves as much, maybe more, credit than Lutz himself, as they will misquote and misrepresent to get as much dramatic effect as possible. Still, it was Lutz on the dive.The meaning of life . . . is to make life have meaning. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,297 #5 April 16, 2010 You may want to take into consideration that Scott is an attorney and as such; use of his name in such a manner _may_ cause you more grief than "Big."Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiver604 0 #6 April 16, 2010 That is actually a really good point, might want to change it to the Klutz Award. "The greater danger for most of us is not that our aim is too high and we miss it, but that it is too low and we reach it." - Michelangelo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beachbum 0 #7 April 16, 2010 Quote You may want to take into consideration that Scott is an attorney NOW I understand why he turned the facts into such a convoluted mess ... habit!!! As long as you are happy with yourself ... who cares what the rest of the world thinks? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joea 0 #8 April 16, 2010 Bah... there's no liable. But dammit I like the K-Lutz award better just for its catchiness. Where were you a week ago?!It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #9 April 16, 2010 Quote But dammit I like the K-Lutz award better just for its catchiness. or S-Lutz (for skydiving Lutz) scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 April 16, 2010 QuoteBah... there's no liable. Uh, do you mean "liability"? Language abuse aside, is that your edjumacated opinion? If it is, it's awesome. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joea 0 #11 April 16, 2010 Oh... yeah... libel. God damn English language and its homophones.It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 April 16, 2010 QuoteOh... yeah... libel. God damn English language and its homophones. So it's your edjumacated opinion that there's no exposure to liability for libel. Got it. And that's the part that's awesome. But that's OK; back in the day, barbers used to perform surgery, so it's all cool. And don't call me a homophone. Not that there's anything wrong with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joea 0 #13 April 16, 2010 All in favour of nominating Andy... say aye!! It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #14 April 16, 2010 QuoteAll in favour of nominating Andy... say aye!! I? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blamey 0 #15 April 16, 2010 I vote for this girl as being the new Lutz. While the jury is still out on what really happened, there are some many holes in her story that it point to being completely made up. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_view_flat;post=3815980;page=1;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;mh=25; Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joea 0 #16 April 16, 2010 She is one of two nominees so far.It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #17 April 16, 2010 Has Shana Richardson been nominated yet? jBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joea 0 #18 April 16, 2010 Feel free to nominate her. Add the details in the Discussions area. If you don't have a facebook account, just add it here and I'll put it in. Or get a facebook account... all the cool kids are doin' it.It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 April 16, 2010 Quote Has Shana Richardson been nominated yet? j I was SOOOOOOO not goin there.... wanted to.. but.....nope... not goin there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #20 April 16, 2010 Quote Quote Has Shana Richardson been nominated yet? j I was SOOOOOOO not goin there.... wanted to.. but.....nope... not goin there. LOL. It took me a while....fought it...but I lost the fight and went there.jBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #21 April 16, 2010 QuoteHas Shana Richardson been nominated yet? No, cuz boring Anglican names don't work as well for that stuff. Except when yer playing with yer Johnson. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
half-a-greek 0 #22 April 16, 2010 QuoteBah... there's no liable. But dammit I like the K-Lutz award better just for its catchiness. Where were you a week ago?! Welcome to a journalists world. The five criteria for libel 1. The statement must be published. a. Libel law is not statutory law-it varies from state to state. As a rule of thumb: it may be libel if more than 25 people have seen it. 2. The plaintiff in a libel case (the one who’s been libeled) must be identified. a. You don’t need to use the name, but if you identify them by some other means it is enough. 3. The plaintiff must be defamed. Things that could hurt your credibility: crime, sexual conduct, illness (mental), addiction to anything, organizations (ex: racism) 4. The statement has to be false. a. Truth and accuracy are two different things. b. Attribution is not a defense in libel. (3 and 4 run hand in hand) if a statement is defamatory but true, and can be proved as true, it is not libel; and vice versa. 5. Fault: it was/is the fault of the defendant, (writer, publisher, editor). a. Negligence (private person): fair comment law. b. Malice (public person) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #23 April 16, 2010 Quote Welcome to a journalists world. A competent journalist uses proper punctuation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
half-a-greek 0 #24 April 16, 2010 Good thing i know libel law then Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joea 0 #25 April 16, 2010 Again... BAH! There's no 'statement', therefore no defamation. LUTZ is an acronym for Losers Undermining The Zport. There. Ass is covered.It's better to have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. - Clarence Worley from "True Romance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites