STI 0 #1 February 12, 2008 We are examining our instructor and video pay this winter. Would you please share the following information? As I am asking for information, I am including our last year's pay rate. We are a Canadian DZ also interested in US pricing. Tandem Instructor $ ______our rate for 2007 $33.00) Coaching $ __________ (our rate for 2007 $12.00) Jumpmaster $ __________ (our rate for 2007 $6.00) Video Person $ __________ (our rate for 2007 $33.00) Parachute packing Tandem Parachutes $______________(our rate for 2007 $10.00) Solo Student Chutes $_____________ (our rate for 2007 $6.00) Experienced Chutes $ _____________ (our rate for 2007 $6.00) Drop zones that wish confidentiality could email Joe privately at info@skydivetoronto.com Thanks for your help. Joe Chow DZO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #2 February 12, 2008 Hi Joe, TI=$50.00 Coach=$15 J/M=$11 (pay your own slot) Video=$25 (house does the edit) Pack Tandem=$20 Pack Student rig=$10 Experienced rig= private market Andrew Whyte Edmonton Skydive Centre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superfletch 1 #3 February 12, 2008 Here in Missouri the breakdown is as follows... TI - $35.00 Coach - slot & $5.00 Jumpmaster - slot & $5.00 Video - slot & $30.00 (responsible for own editing, dz supplies equip & dvd) stills are between camera flyer and customer Tandem pack - $10.00 student pack - $5.00 experienced pack - between packer & experienced jumper Gary "Superfletch" Fletcher D-26145; USPA Coach, IAD/I, AFF/I Videographer/Photographer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
voodew1 0 #4 February 12, 2008 Still amazes me that the ones that use the DZs gear, don't pay for pack jobs, not respondsible if mains get lost after cutaways, don't have to do debriefs or edits make the most money And when was the last time you heard of someone taking a TI course not getting it. Video guys -- have the most at risk, the costliest gear and if you break it down, they really make the least, followed by the AFFI's So go on and tell me how hard it is to do tandems - not that i care At my DZ TI $30 Video $43 --- digital stills, and video - edit your own AFFI $33 Coach $10 Tandem pack $10 Student pack $6 Fun jumper/ staff pack $5 plus tip unless your a tight wad Video and AFF have to pay for packjobs and reserve repacks on their multiple rigs -- and if you have a cutaway and lose your main or wear your gear out - its on you to replace it The pimp hand is powdered up ... say something stupid Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #5 February 12, 2008 2007 rates: TI - $40 (plus $1 per lb over 190 lbs) Video - $25 (+$15/edit, +$35/stills) AFF-I - $35 IAD-I - $5 Coach - $6 Tandem pack - $10 Student pack - $5 Experienced pack - between packer & jumper I'm considering a couple changes for 2008, but they're unlikely to be anything real drastic. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beerlight 0 #6 February 13, 2008 Are pilots not considered "staff"? I think there are some other threads around on pilot pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #7 February 13, 2008 QuoteVideo guys -- have the most at risk, the costliest gear and if you break it down, they really make the least, followed by the AFFI's I don't edit, provide tapes, DVDs or CDs, and I make more per jump than anyone else on the DZ. On top of it all, I don't have to be responsible for anyone but myself, and I get to jump my choice of gear, which I have complete control over the maintenence of, and happens to contain a kick ass Velocity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #8 February 13, 2008 QuoteStill amazes me that the ones that use the DZs gear, don't pay for pack jobs, not respondsible if mains get lost after cutaways, don't have to do debriefs or edits make the most money Tandems are where the DZ makes the most money, pretty easy to understand really. I quit doing tandems a few years ago because it was damn hard work, not to mention the most dangerous job at the DZ. As for video guys, it seems that as soon as someone can afford a couple cameras...poof, he's a video guy. AFFI's at my DZ get $35 a jump, which I think is more than fair. I believe the vidiots make about the same. John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BMFin 0 #9 February 13, 2008 QuoteStill amazes me that the ones that use the DZs gear, don't pay for pack jobs, not respondsible if mains get lost after cutaways, don't have to do debriefs or edits make the most money And when was the last time you heard of someone taking a TI course not getting it. Video guys -- have the most at risk, the costliest gear and if you break it down, they really make the least, followed by the AFFI's You forgot to mention that the TI has responsibility over the passangers life who most likely pukes on the TI´s suit under canopy. Plus.. I do think its a lot more fun to freefly with a tandem plus swoop your own main canopy, rather than buttslide with the bigass tandemcanopy.. (we do this for fun anyways am I right ?) If you arent satisfied with the sallary, try tandemmastering. But if money is what you are after.. Maby seek work at some other area.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BMFin 0 #10 February 13, 2008 Quote TI - $40 (plus $1 per lb over 190 lbs) Video - $25 (+$15/edit, +$35/stills) Thats nice.. So vidiots get 75 bucks for the whole deal ? A little off-topic, but how many tandems do you jump at your DZ in a year ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites divnswoop 0 #11 February 13, 2008 Quote You forgot to mention that the TI has responsibility over the passangers life who most likely pukes on the TI´s suit under canopy. If that is true, then your TI's need to re-evaluate what they do in freefall and under parachute. I have 2300+ tandems and have had about 6-7 pukers... Quote rather than buttslide with the bigass tandemcanopy.. learn how to flare your gear.... Lepka..... Quote I don't edit, provide tapes, DVDs or CDs, and I make more per jump than anyone else on the DZ. Not like the good ol' days where I supplied all of the gear and made far less than what the video concession did!!! I guess that is why it is good to be in the DZO's back pocket! I always wondered why I quit doing video's back in the day! It's all good.... PS DON'T forget to get the walk out shot or we will fire you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tdog 0 #12 February 13, 2008 QuoteStill amazes me that the ones that use the DZs gear, don't pay for pack jobs, not respondsible if mains get lost after cutaways, don't have to do debriefs or edits make the most money This is why I am an AFF instructor, as the Was (Not Was) song goes: I was transfered to the moon Worse pay, better fellow workers I built our love out of blood I went to the dentist and told him "take out my heart" I feel better than James Brown I feel better now I feel better than James Brown I was attending Mardi Gras with Fidel Castro Bucksome cross dressers threw fake gold coins at our feet As we discussed the fate of the revolution... Seriously - if I wanted to make money, I would haul meat. But I do AFF for the love of the sport and students. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #13 February 13, 2008 >. . . make the most money. Supply and demand. AFF and video are more fun than tandems, and thus people are willing to do them for less. You can bet that if all tandem students suddenly became cute 80 lb japanese women, and video and AFF were required to jump staff rigs with 230 square foot canopies in them (so they stop complaining about using their own gear) the pay scale would change pretty rapidly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GQ_jumper 4 #14 February 13, 2008 cute 80 lb japanese women Quote I'll take two please History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #15 February 13, 2008 Quote cute 80 lb japanese women Quote I'll take two please >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed! I told the boss - a long time ago - that I will cheerfully haul 80 pound Japanese girls two-at-a-time. He only has to provide an airplane with a huge door and I still expect to get paid for EVERY tandem student I haul. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wrightskyguy 1 #16 February 13, 2008 QuoteIf that is true, then your TI's need to re-evaluate what they do in freefall and under parachute. I have 2300+ tandems and have had about 6-7 pukers... *** I puke every time I video one of your tandems John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scooter1812 0 #17 March 22, 2010 It would seem that in 2008 the going rate was between $35 - $50 a tandem, with the average being over $40. Curious that in 2010 STI would reduce it's tandem rates to $32. Scott Weaire STI tandem Instructor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbwing 0 #18 March 22, 2010 QuoteCurious that in 2010 STI would reduce it's tandem rates to $32. Why are they less? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #19 March 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteCurious that in 2010 STI would reduce it's tandem rates to $32. Why are they less? ................................................................... DZOs are always whining ... like farmers. When weather is good, they whine about low crop prices. But when weather is bad, they whine about the weather. DZOs will always find excuses to reduce pay for instructors. It is up to professional skydivers to hold the line on pay and working conditions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbwing 0 #20 March 22, 2010 I had been under the impression that even though Joe is known for his 'fiscal frugality', he did pay equal or higher than average for staff pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #21 March 22, 2010 If Joe reduced the pay for tandem masters I would suspect it is because he has the supply to do so. Tough times in southern Ontario probably mean more part timers indicating they want to work more this year. It has nothing to do with "fair" (whatever that is) and more to do with supply and demand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbwing 0 #22 March 22, 2010 True. Or maybe because he now has a full time Caravan, he can do more tandems. And so can the tandem masters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skycop811 0 #23 March 22, 2010 QuoteHi Joe, TI=$50.00 Coach=$15 J/M=$11 (pay your own slot) Video=$25 (house does the edit) Pack Tandem=$20 Pack Student rig=$10 Experienced rig= private market Andrew Whyte Edmonton Skydive Centre So the JM has to pay their own slot to take up students Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skypuppy 1 #24 March 22, 2010 I had been under the impression that even though Joe is known for his 'fiscal frugality', he did pay equal or higher than average for staff pay. _______________________________________________ Not surprising you thought that, I guess, that IS what he tells everyone.... From a quick, very unscientific poll I conducted with some friends recently, I'd say Joe pays on the low end of average. Several places are paying more. Rather than having more part-timers, Last year Joe brought in a couple of Russian tandemmasters for the season, who live right at the dz and do most of the jumps during the week. We have been told that this year he is bringing in more, and one of the trailers has been made over into a bunkhouse for them. Partly the reduction in pay was said to be because the Russians couldn't train their own students (English not the first language), but were getting paid the same. So whoever trained them supposedly will now get the $3 per student for the training. However, what it means is you show up at the dz, they push someone at you, say she's been trained, and you get less money for taking them up.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. 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BMFin 0 #9 February 13, 2008 QuoteStill amazes me that the ones that use the DZs gear, don't pay for pack jobs, not respondsible if mains get lost after cutaways, don't have to do debriefs or edits make the most money And when was the last time you heard of someone taking a TI course not getting it. Video guys -- have the most at risk, the costliest gear and if you break it down, they really make the least, followed by the AFFI's You forgot to mention that the TI has responsibility over the passangers life who most likely pukes on the TI´s suit under canopy. Plus.. I do think its a lot more fun to freefly with a tandem plus swoop your own main canopy, rather than buttslide with the bigass tandemcanopy.. (we do this for fun anyways am I right ?) If you arent satisfied with the sallary, try tandemmastering. But if money is what you are after.. Maby seek work at some other area.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMFin 0 #10 February 13, 2008 Quote TI - $40 (plus $1 per lb over 190 lbs) Video - $25 (+$15/edit, +$35/stills) Thats nice.. So vidiots get 75 bucks for the whole deal ? A little off-topic, but how many tandems do you jump at your DZ in a year ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
divnswoop 0 #11 February 13, 2008 Quote You forgot to mention that the TI has responsibility over the passangers life who most likely pukes on the TI´s suit under canopy. If that is true, then your TI's need to re-evaluate what they do in freefall and under parachute. I have 2300+ tandems and have had about 6-7 pukers... Quote rather than buttslide with the bigass tandemcanopy.. learn how to flare your gear.... Lepka..... Quote I don't edit, provide tapes, DVDs or CDs, and I make more per jump than anyone else on the DZ. Not like the good ol' days where I supplied all of the gear and made far less than what the video concession did!!! I guess that is why it is good to be in the DZO's back pocket! I always wondered why I quit doing video's back in the day! It's all good.... PS DON'T forget to get the walk out shot or we will fire you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #12 February 13, 2008 QuoteStill amazes me that the ones that use the DZs gear, don't pay for pack jobs, not respondsible if mains get lost after cutaways, don't have to do debriefs or edits make the most money This is why I am an AFF instructor, as the Was (Not Was) song goes: I was transfered to the moon Worse pay, better fellow workers I built our love out of blood I went to the dentist and told him "take out my heart" I feel better than James Brown I feel better now I feel better than James Brown I was attending Mardi Gras with Fidel Castro Bucksome cross dressers threw fake gold coins at our feet As we discussed the fate of the revolution... Seriously - if I wanted to make money, I would haul meat. But I do AFF for the love of the sport and students. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #13 February 13, 2008 >. . . make the most money. Supply and demand. AFF and video are more fun than tandems, and thus people are willing to do them for less. You can bet that if all tandem students suddenly became cute 80 lb japanese women, and video and AFF were required to jump staff rigs with 230 square foot canopies in them (so they stop complaining about using their own gear) the pay scale would change pretty rapidly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #14 February 13, 2008 cute 80 lb japanese women Quote I'll take two please History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #15 February 13, 2008 Quote cute 80 lb japanese women Quote I'll take two please >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed! I told the boss - a long time ago - that I will cheerfully haul 80 pound Japanese girls two-at-a-time. He only has to provide an airplane with a huge door and I still expect to get paid for EVERY tandem student I haul. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wrightskyguy 1 #16 February 13, 2008 QuoteIf that is true, then your TI's need to re-evaluate what they do in freefall and under parachute. I have 2300+ tandems and have had about 6-7 pukers... *** I puke every time I video one of your tandems John Wright World's most beloved skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scooter1812 0 #17 March 22, 2010 It would seem that in 2008 the going rate was between $35 - $50 a tandem, with the average being over $40. Curious that in 2010 STI would reduce it's tandem rates to $32. Scott Weaire STI tandem Instructor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbwing 0 #18 March 22, 2010 QuoteCurious that in 2010 STI would reduce it's tandem rates to $32. Why are they less? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites riggerrob 643 #19 March 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteCurious that in 2010 STI would reduce it's tandem rates to $32. Why are they less? ................................................................... DZOs are always whining ... like farmers. When weather is good, they whine about low crop prices. But when weather is bad, they whine about the weather. DZOs will always find excuses to reduce pay for instructors. It is up to professional skydivers to hold the line on pay and working conditions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbwing 0 #20 March 22, 2010 I had been under the impression that even though Joe is known for his 'fiscal frugality', he did pay equal or higher than average for staff pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andrewwhyte 1 #21 March 22, 2010 If Joe reduced the pay for tandem masters I would suspect it is because he has the supply to do so. Tough times in southern Ontario probably mean more part timers indicating they want to work more this year. It has nothing to do with "fair" (whatever that is) and more to do with supply and demand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pbwing 0 #22 March 22, 2010 True. Or maybe because he now has a full time Caravan, he can do more tandems. And so can the tandem masters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skycop811 0 #23 March 22, 2010 QuoteHi Joe, TI=$50.00 Coach=$15 J/M=$11 (pay your own slot) Video=$25 (house does the edit) Pack Tandem=$20 Pack Student rig=$10 Experienced rig= private market Andrew Whyte Edmonton Skydive Centre So the JM has to pay their own slot to take up students Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites skypuppy 1 #24 March 22, 2010 I had been under the impression that even though Joe is known for his 'fiscal frugality', he did pay equal or higher than average for staff pay. _______________________________________________ Not surprising you thought that, I guess, that IS what he tells everyone.... From a quick, very unscientific poll I conducted with some friends recently, I'd say Joe pays on the low end of average. Several places are paying more. Rather than having more part-timers, Last year Joe brought in a couple of Russian tandemmasters for the season, who live right at the dz and do most of the jumps during the week. We have been told that this year he is bringing in more, and one of the trailers has been made over into a bunkhouse for them. Partly the reduction in pay was said to be because the Russians couldn't train their own students (English not the first language), but were getting paid the same. So whoever trained them supposedly will now get the $3 per student for the training. However, what it means is you show up at the dz, they push someone at you, say she's been trained, and you get less money for taking them up.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scooter1812 0 #25 March 22, 2010 Ya I don't like the fact that these people were brought in that have such poor command of english. That being said there will be an issue on bad weather days when the tandem students are trained and then they come back at a later date. They will require retraining but the instructor will only receive $32. This to me is completely unfair. Well the only good thing is that there are lots of other DZ in Ontario that compensate their staff fairly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Scooter1812 0 #17 March 22, 2010 It would seem that in 2008 the going rate was between $35 - $50 a tandem, with the average being over $40. Curious that in 2010 STI would reduce it's tandem rates to $32. Scott Weaire STI tandem Instructor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #18 March 22, 2010 QuoteCurious that in 2010 STI would reduce it's tandem rates to $32. Why are they less? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #19 March 22, 2010 QuoteQuoteCurious that in 2010 STI would reduce it's tandem rates to $32. Why are they less? ................................................................... DZOs are always whining ... like farmers. When weather is good, they whine about low crop prices. But when weather is bad, they whine about the weather. DZOs will always find excuses to reduce pay for instructors. It is up to professional skydivers to hold the line on pay and working conditions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #20 March 22, 2010 I had been under the impression that even though Joe is known for his 'fiscal frugality', he did pay equal or higher than average for staff pay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #21 March 22, 2010 If Joe reduced the pay for tandem masters I would suspect it is because he has the supply to do so. Tough times in southern Ontario probably mean more part timers indicating they want to work more this year. It has nothing to do with "fair" (whatever that is) and more to do with supply and demand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pbwing 0 #22 March 22, 2010 True. Or maybe because he now has a full time Caravan, he can do more tandems. And so can the tandem masters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skycop811 0 #23 March 22, 2010 QuoteHi Joe, TI=$50.00 Coach=$15 J/M=$11 (pay your own slot) Video=$25 (house does the edit) Pack Tandem=$20 Pack Student rig=$10 Experienced rig= private market Andrew Whyte Edmonton Skydive Centre So the JM has to pay their own slot to take up students Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #24 March 22, 2010 I had been under the impression that even though Joe is known for his 'fiscal frugality', he did pay equal or higher than average for staff pay. _______________________________________________ Not surprising you thought that, I guess, that IS what he tells everyone.... From a quick, very unscientific poll I conducted with some friends recently, I'd say Joe pays on the low end of average. Several places are paying more. Rather than having more part-timers, Last year Joe brought in a couple of Russian tandemmasters for the season, who live right at the dz and do most of the jumps during the week. We have been told that this year he is bringing in more, and one of the trailers has been made over into a bunkhouse for them. Partly the reduction in pay was said to be because the Russians couldn't train their own students (English not the first language), but were getting paid the same. So whoever trained them supposedly will now get the $3 per student for the training. However, what it means is you show up at the dz, they push someone at you, say she's been trained, and you get less money for taking them up.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scooter1812 0 #25 March 22, 2010 Ya I don't like the fact that these people were brought in that have such poor command of english. That being said there will be an issue on bad weather days when the tandem students are trained and then they come back at a later date. They will require retraining but the instructor will only receive $32. This to me is completely unfair. Well the only good thing is that there are lots of other DZ in Ontario that compensate their staff fairly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
