Superman32 0 #1 May 24, 2005 Disclaimer** I will, as I always do< ask my instructors despite advise given here During AFF I was taught that while performing EPs, I should look "red" grab with BOTH hands, look silver, pull "red". Grab silver with BOTH hands and pull silver. Here is the question, I've seen several experienced skydivers practicing one hand per handle - right hand red and pull, followed by left hand silver and pull. This procedure, it appears to me, seem more natural and conducive of better body position on deployment. What are the pros and cons of the 2 hand vs the 1 hand per handle EPs? Thanks Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ianmdrennan 2 #2 May 24, 2005 QuoteWhat are the pros and cons of the 2 hand vs the 1 hand per handle EPs? IMO: 1 hand pros: Both hands on handles. 1 hand cons: Possible (quite easy actually) to fire reserve into a undetached main. Or if hand slips off cutaway handle and full cutaway doesn't occur, the same may result due to the right, left punch combo. 2 hand on a handle pros - opposite of con's above. 2 hand on a handle cons - opposite of pro's above. I do the 1 hand on each handle method, and practice appropriately for it. Either is good, but one thing is clear - pick a method and stick with it, AND be prepared for the scenarios either can produce. Blues, IanPerformance Designs Factory Team Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlyinseivLP2 0 #3 May 24, 2005 The method you were taught is what most schools will teach. It ensures that the handles are pulled in the correct order. Also there is a better possiblity of you firing your reserve into a main that hasent been completely cleared, with the 1 hand on each method. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #4 May 24, 2005 QuoteAlso there is a better possiblity of you firing your reserve into a main that hasent been completely cleared, with the 1 hand on each method. Then again seeing how student gear generally have RSLs and if a student doesn't clear their cutaway handle (or actually if the cutaway cables aren't cut to the correct length), then it would happen as well. BillBooth stated that he created the 3-ring system to be a one hand operated system so to have the other hand on the reserve handle, since the harness shifts during a cutaway, as well as a time/altitude thing.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miami 0 #5 May 24, 2005 QuoteWhat are the pros and cons of the 2 hand vs the 1 hand per handle EPs? Using the method of two hands per handle has a few advantages but is a little slower. Students are usually taught this method as they open higher and saving a second or 2 on a cutaway is not as critical. Some of the advantages are that they are less likely to have an out of sequence deployment (hand slipping off of a handle during the EP) and better leverage using two hands. You will probably see most jumpers switch sometime during their career to the one hand per handle method, most likely as they get smaller on their canopies and lower on their pull altitudes. Hope this helps...Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Superman32 0 #6 May 24, 2005 I'm quite obcessive about practicing EP on the ground (all the time not only when at the dz), and definately with a rig on. Therefore, I know that muscle memory would not be an issue. Since I have to rent a rig, i'm not guaranteed to always get the same one, hence, the location of the handles do vary (especially under canopy) depending on the container. Now with only 26 lowly jumps am I jumping ahead of myself by switching to one hand EPs? Btw, I pull around 4.5k Inveniam Viam aut Faciam I'm back biatches! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miami 0 #7 May 24, 2005 QuoteNow with only 26 lowly jumps am I jumping ahead of myself by switching to one hand EPs? Btw, I pull around 4.5k I can give you my general opinion, but that is a question best answered by your instructors...they know you best... I feel it really boils down to what you are comfortable with. If you do decide to switch methods just make sure you don't rush the procedure should the opportunity arise. Make absolutely certain you have fully cutaway your main before you fire that reserve. Whatever method you use it is important to perform them cleanly to give your reserve the best chance to open. Hope this helps...Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skyyhi 0 #8 May 24, 2005 Besides asking your instructors, if you can get to a hanging harness to practice an actual pull, you can get a feel for how each method works. . .________________________________________ Take risks not to escape life… but to prevent life from escaping. ~ A bumper sticker at the DZ FGF #6 Darcy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #9 May 24, 2005 >What are the pros and cons of the 2 hand vs the 1 hand per handle EPs? 2 hand: -Easier to deal with a hard pull -Less likely to operate out of sequence -More likely to release both risers 1 hand: -Faster -Easier to stay stable In general I recommend 2 hands per handle to newer jumpers; that's what I teach my students. I had to switch to 1 hand when I started doing tandems. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GravityGirl 0 #10 May 25, 2005 Quote You will probably see most jumpers switch sometime during their career to the one hand per handle method, most likely as they get smaller on their canopies and lower on their pull altitudes. Hope this helps... That's funny. It's quite the opposite for me. The smaller my canopy gets, the HIGHER my deployment altitude. I tried the one hand method for a while until I used it and my hand slipped off my cutaway. I was able to stop myself in time, but I was soooo close to firing that reserve that it convinced me to go back to two hands on the cutaway. I have had 8 reserve rides... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace and Blue Skies! Bonnie ==>Gravity Gear! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miami 0 #11 May 25, 2005 I know what you mean...I went from student opening alt gradually down to pitching at 2k, then as I started jumping smaller canopies it came back up. Now I like to pitch around 3.5k. I thought I would use the one hand method till I had my first sport chop (around #3200, spinning line over on my 27) and I ended up using 2 hands on the cutaway, rolled back over and used one hand on my reserve with my right hand above my head for arm symmetry. It was what just felt natural. 8 rides...are you a crw dog?Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #12 May 25, 2005 QuoteI thought I would use the one hand method till I had my first sport chop (around #3200, spinning line over on my 27 Since you prefaced this comment with "sport" - how many of those 3200 jumps were sport jumps???? If you made it nearly 3200 jumps without chopping, you might have a record there... I will let you pack for me any day, (not that you are a packer between all the other stuff ya do. ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miami 0 #13 May 25, 2005 I have about 6-700 tandems...2 of which I had cutaways on. Before the tandems I did some intentional cutaways but those are really nothing like chopping a mal. I've had good packers...and probably landed a couple things I shouldn't have... Hope this helps...Miami Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #14 May 25, 2005 Either way, you have a lot of chop-free jumps!!! Congrats on that... I know people who average 250 jumps between chops, you got thousands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #15 May 25, 2005 I know someone with like 10000+ jumps and no reserve rides, now that's hella impressive/lucky/skill/etc... NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tdog 0 #16 May 25, 2005 QuoteI know someone with like 10000+ jumps and no reserve rides, now that's hella impressive/lucky/skill/etc... When they have their first reserve ride they will have to fight off the karma of the other 10+ they should-a had, and I bet their mal will be a good one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
