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Will_Evo 0
Quote>Would I rely on the RSL? Hell no, but I wouldn't ridicule someone who
>it worked for....that is why we have them.
If someone had a total mal and did absolutely nothing, and their AAD fired and opened their reserve, would you tell them 'good job' since it worked for them?
Well of course not, but with the RSL there are way more variations of elements that can be factored in.
My RSL beat me to the punch, so what, doesn't mean next time I cutaway I am going to wait on the RSL because it worked so grandly this time(even though I wasn't waiting on it, just so happened it deployed VERY fast), especially if the situation is different and I am at a much lower altitude. I actually talked to someone this last weekend who had a cut away and said she experienced the same exact thing I did, in that the RSL deployed her reserve before she pulled silver, doesn't mean she was waiting on it, just means it beat her, which is a good thing, and doesn't require ridicule, it just means the RSL did its job.
-Evo
Zoo Crew
QuoteQuote>Would I rely on the RSL? Hell no, but I wouldn't ridicule someone who
>it worked for....that is why we have them.
If someone had a total mal and did absolutely nothing, and their AAD fired and opened their reserve, would you tell them 'good job' since it worked for them?
Well of course not, but with the RSL there are way more variations of elements that can be factored in.
My RSL beat me to the punch, so what, doesn't mean next time I cutaway I am going to wait on the RSL because it worked so grandly this time(even though I wasn't waiting on it, just so happened it deployed VERY fast), especially if the situation is different and I am at a much lower altitude. I actually talked to someone this last weekend who had a cut away and said she experienced the same exact thing I did, in that the RSL deployed her reserve before she pulled silver, doesn't mean she was waiting on it, just means it beat her, which is a good thing, and doesn't require ridicule, it just means the RSL did its job.
-Evo
First off, "you" as used in the following is in the editorial sense. I don't mean to single out Will_Evo at all.
From this post, I fear the point has not gotten across.
People who have RSLs should EXPECTED that the RSL will beat them. Especially if you use a two-handed pull, where both hands must move from the cutaway handle to the reserve ripcord handle.
Still, you should complete your emergency procedures even though you expect the RSL to beat you.
When you get down and you have not completed your emergency procedures, somebody should say something about it, because you should be completing your emergency procedures.
Maybe ridicule is not the best teaching aid, but it is all some people have got to offer.
But the ridicule wouldn't (shouldn't?) be about that the RSL beat you. That is EXPECTED.
The ridicule would be about not completing your emergency procedures.
Maybe some people who employ ridicule are focusing on the wrong target with their ridicule. Again, not everybody is the best teacher, or has the right advice to offer.
But the fact remains that if you do not complete your emergency procedure, you have something to do better next time.
Some people will see that the procedures are not complete, and employ ridicule as the teaching method. No, not the best possible approach. But if that's the best they can do, its the best they can do. They care about you, and that's got to count for something.
So we should all try to look at the message, not the delivery.
Will_Evo 0
QuotePeople who have RSLs should EXPECTED that the RSL will beat them. Especially if you use a two-handed pull, where both hands must move from the cutaway handle to the reserve ripcord handle.
Still, you should complete your emergency procedures even though you expect the RSL to beat you.
I don't fully understand your reasoning behind finishing your EP's with a reserve above my head. If my RSL beats me to the punch, and there is a reserve above my head, at this point I am more worried about the three s's, where I am, how high I am etc, not pulling a hanging silver handle that literally is connected to nothing.
Anyways, seems like yet another thing people are stressing to much about, an RSL did its job, great, you didn't pull silver, who cares, your alive, the piece of safety equipment you are using worked properly. Good, now get your ass to the ground without getting hurt. Seems like backwards reasoning with a reserve above your head to grab silver with both hands and pull hard, THEN check your already open canopy.
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-Evo
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labrys 0
QuoteQuotePeople who have RSLs should EXPECTED that the RSL will beat them. Especially if you use a two-handed pull, where both hands must move from the cutaway handle to the reserve ripcord handle.
Still, you should complete your emergency procedures even though you expect the RSL to beat you.
I don't fully understand your reasoning behind finishing your EP's with a reserve above my head. If my RSL beats me to the punch, and there is a reserve above my head, at this point I am more worried about the three s's, where I am, how high I am etc, not pulling a hanging silver handle that literally is connected to nothing.
Anyways, seems like yet another thing people are stressing to much about, an RSL did its job, great, you didn't pull silver, who cares, your alive, the piece of safety equipment you are using worked properly. Good, now get your ass to the ground without getting hurt. Seems like backwards reasoning with a reserve above your head to grab silver with both hands and pull hard, THEN check your already open canopy.
-Evo
One does not go from cutaway to RSL deployment of reserve to a fully deployed reserve instantly. It takes a few seconds and in those seconds it's not a bad idea to be proactive and pull the reserve handle. If you go from cutaway to reserve over your head without doing anything you're either wasting time or failing to take action that might make a difference.
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QuoteAnyways, seems like yet another thing people are stressing to much about, an RSL did its job, great, you didn't pull silver, who cares, your alive, the piece of safety equipment you are using worked properly.
I think the point people are trying to get across is complete your EP’s so that it will become automatic. You know the old muscle memory thing. You state the equipment worked right you are alive and “who cares”. This attitude can and does lead to complacency about procedures and a dependency on back up equipment. I am not saying this it going happen to you but it could. For 30 years I have watched jumpers who have the whole range of skill and experience slowing get complacent and end up paying the ultimate price. When you are in the air never take anything for granted. Go through you EP’s as if there were not RSL or AAD. Just you and high speed dirt.
And you may not believe but there a lot of people who care.
Sparky
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QuoteSeems like backwards reasoning with a reserve above your head to grab silver with both hands and pull hard, THEN check your already open canopy.
-Evo
If you still have your d handle in its pocket when you are performing a canopy check of your reserve, I think you have lost valuable time in your EP's
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With some malfunctions (for ex hard pull, pilot chute in tow, ...) your main will stay in it's container after you have pulled the cutaway handle. No main leaving the container ==> no pull from the rsl.
In 1999 we had a deadly accident. No pull, no AAD, only pulled the cutaway handle. Do you know what a rsl will do in this case? Nothing.
To garantee an activation of your reserve, pull that d handle. If the rsl did its job, just before you could do it yourself, fine. If the rsl didn't do its job for whatever reason, you have not lost valuable time when you also have pulled the d handle yourself.
When the shit hits the fan, maybe you have time to think and maybe you are able to think. History has proven that often this is not the case.
The SkyHook cannot perform its function ( get started ) UNTIL the ripcord pin has been pulled. Getting the ripcord pin pulled ( getting the reserve started ) is a function of the RSL and not the SkyHook.
For the record: IMO, I do not consider a MARD to be a RSL in and of itself. It is an additional feature of a RSL.
I hope, that if you are jumping a rig with a SkyHook, that you completely understand how it works.
As parachute systems become more & more complex it is very important that the users ( and yes, the riggers ) understand the function of these systems and the order in which they function ( perform their tasks ); again, IMO.
JerryBaumchen
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