goose491 0 #51 December 20, 2004 clicky My Karma ran over my Dogma!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyingferret 0 #52 December 20, 2004 You know...I was just thinking about posting that and asking Quade for comments -- All the flaming and trolls of wreck dot with a pretty GUI. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deaffreeflyer 0 #53 December 20, 2004 Try it and you'll know the difference! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atmodude 0 #54 December 20, 2004 héhéhé Quade where are you man ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #55 December 20, 2004 One Wednesday night about ten years ago I'm at a raging party in the Perris Ghetto, (where else can you find a raging party on a Wednesday night?) and I'm wandering from conversation to conversation until sitting in with some Perris Ghetto old-timers (so old they used to be Elsinore Ghetto old-timers) and they are railing on free flyers. And oh, how we laughed. We guffawed at the clothes they wore, especially the hats, you know the kind only your old Uncle Charlie wore, and we mocked the lingo, "they should call themselves the sick dope bombs," one said, and we rolled on the floor laughing . . . I mentioned just seeing Fritz (or was it the other guy, I couldn't tell them apart) sitting at a table in the bombshelter. He'd gathered all the salt, pepper, mustard, and ketchup containers, and he is arranging them, and then re-arranging them on the table and he is sooooo serious. We rolled on the floor laughing some more, the poor saps, my god, it must hurt to be so young . . . After a bit more of this I stopped laughing. It hit me all of a sudden that these good fellows are about to be paid back for something they did three and four decades ago. These guys, and the rest like them, are the ones who invaded skydiving back then, and literally reinvented the sport with their long hair hippie ways, and shocking the straights who practiced style and accuracy. Relative work was the new thing. And this was hard to take by the straight group, as many of them remember a time when exiting more than one jumper on a pass was dangerous, and even a time when it was outlawed. Now with the advent of Atmonauti, we see the first very small signs of resistance from the free fly community. "Who are these guys, and why are they changing things?" Well, here's a tip my brothers, resistance is futile. Someday, about ten years from now, Fritz and a bunch of free fly old-timers will be at a party in the Perris Ghetto on a Wednesday night, and they'll be rolling on the floor laughing. But their laughter will only serve to obscure the freight train that's coming right at them . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites fallfast69 3 #56 December 20, 2004 Yep!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #57 December 21, 2004 Quote Quade where are you man ? Right here still waiting to see something that differentiates this from what I've seen others do before. If I look at hard core 4-way I can tell it's different than people doing 10-way speed. If I look at a person doing head down, he's clearly doing something different than belly-to-earth. If I look at the photos of Atmonauti I can't see anything different than what I've seen in a tracking dive.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #58 December 21, 2004 Quote and we rolled on the floor laughing . . . *** Amen Brother! Must have been about 20 years ago... I was sitting in the back of my pickup with some Elsinore regulars when YOU walked by and said hello... Comments were made regarding the 'parasite' sport of BASE jumping and how it was ruining 'regular' skydiving. One of the then 'old hands' made a comment about how it would SURELY burn itself out... through "Natural Selection" and things would get back to the way they were supposed to be... Hummm...nobody's laughing now! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites NickDG 23 #59 December 21, 2004 >>I was sitting in the back of my pickup with some Elsinore regulars when YOU walked by and said hello... Comments were made regarding the 'parasite' sport of BASE jumping and how it was ruining 'regular' skydiving. << It just goes to prove, and I hate stealing this from the TV show, but: Outwit, Outplay, and Outlast really works . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airtwardo 7 #60 December 21, 2004 Quote If I look at the photos of Atmonauti I can't see anything different than what I've seen in a tracking dive. Quote The tee shirts are cooler! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Atmodude 0 #61 December 21, 2004 hmm, so if you can't/don't wanne see it and can't feel it too it will be difficult to fly it thats for sure. nevermind ;-) as long as everyone is enjoying their flights as longs as they are ! :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #62 December 21, 2004 QuoteATMONAUTI IS NOT ABOUT FLOCKING AT ALL It is flocking.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Frenchy68 0 #63 December 21, 2004 QuoteIt is flocking. you're just jealous... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #64 December 21, 2004 Quoteatmonauti ! it is an angle flight technique, around 45 degrees angle of flight... more info on Marco and Gi's website EDITED TO CORRECT URL Dayum what a cool website!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Atmodude 0 #65 December 21, 2004 sorry for my bad englisg but what is exact meaning of flocking ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #66 December 21, 2004 Quote...i like this ===> Foto ~ it is steve's avatar: Beautiful!!... What a beautiful shot! Now this is something I want to do! Quote i hope to fly Atmonauti with Gi & Marco one day! that would be a dream come true Amen, me too!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #67 December 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteATMONAUTI IS NOT ABOUT FLOCKING AT ALL It is flocking. Atmonauti is absolutely about flocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #68 December 21, 2004 Quoteit is all about knowing it, not about thinking it Yea, right. I am thinking about making myself King. Can you feel it? Anytime there are 2 or more people in the air, flying together, it is relative work. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #69 December 21, 2004 QuoteAnytime there are 2 or more people in the air, flying together, it is relative work. Great point.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Canuck 0 #70 December 21, 2004 Flocking is a skydive, usually done in a head down position, but I have seen them lead in a sit/stand position, where a bunch of jumpers follow a leader on a diagnol trajectory across the sky. Sounds A LOT like atmonauti, but I guess it's not seeing how atmonauti was only "invented" a couple years ago, and flocking has been happening for 10+ years. I'm with you on this one Quade. And yes, I've done them... Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diablopilot 2 #71 December 21, 2004 Quotesorry for my bad englisg but what is exact meaning of flocking ? Freeflying on a vector ranging between head down and tracking.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites flyhi 24 #72 December 21, 2004 QuoteOne of the then 'old hands' made a comment about how it would SURELY burn itself out... through "Natural Selection" and things would get back to the way they were supposed to be... Hummm...nobody's laughing now You can still laugh about skyboarding and freestyle. Those are about to be Darwinized. New and different in some facet doesn't necessarily mean it will survive. Time will tell.Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Monkeyb 0 #73 December 21, 2004 So you mean automnauti increases your freefall time? How does this happen :x I belly fly and I've never had 75 second jumps, even if I try to slow myself down as much as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Canuck 0 #74 December 22, 2004 I believe what he means is that an atmonauti dive increases your freefall time as compared to a vertical freefly dive due to the differences in fall rate, in the same way a flat fly jump increases your freefall time over a sitfly. Without the aid of a wingsuit, the best use of altitude is a tracking dive. I've been on a few (leading ) that were protracked and Neptuned in the low 80 mph range. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkymonkeyONE 4 #75 December 22, 2004 Flying on a 45 degree angle (freefly flocking, atmonauti, whatever) only marginally extends your freefall time over vertical skydives. You will still burn a hole in the sky at least 25 percent faster than a flailing belly flyer. Want to really extend your horizontal, social, flying experience? Fly a wingsuit. I'll promise you there is nothing you can do in the atmonauti form that I cannot do in my wingsuit, and I will be doing it for a minimum of two minutes. Edited to make a correction: anything other than flying efficiently feet-first. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
NickDG 23 #55 December 20, 2004 One Wednesday night about ten years ago I'm at a raging party in the Perris Ghetto, (where else can you find a raging party on a Wednesday night?) and I'm wandering from conversation to conversation until sitting in with some Perris Ghetto old-timers (so old they used to be Elsinore Ghetto old-timers) and they are railing on free flyers. And oh, how we laughed. We guffawed at the clothes they wore, especially the hats, you know the kind only your old Uncle Charlie wore, and we mocked the lingo, "they should call themselves the sick dope bombs," one said, and we rolled on the floor laughing . . . I mentioned just seeing Fritz (or was it the other guy, I couldn't tell them apart) sitting at a table in the bombshelter. He'd gathered all the salt, pepper, mustard, and ketchup containers, and he is arranging them, and then re-arranging them on the table and he is sooooo serious. We rolled on the floor laughing some more, the poor saps, my god, it must hurt to be so young . . . After a bit more of this I stopped laughing. It hit me all of a sudden that these good fellows are about to be paid back for something they did three and four decades ago. These guys, and the rest like them, are the ones who invaded skydiving back then, and literally reinvented the sport with their long hair hippie ways, and shocking the straights who practiced style and accuracy. Relative work was the new thing. And this was hard to take by the straight group, as many of them remember a time when exiting more than one jumper on a pass was dangerous, and even a time when it was outlawed. Now with the advent of Atmonauti, we see the first very small signs of resistance from the free fly community. "Who are these guys, and why are they changing things?" Well, here's a tip my brothers, resistance is futile. Someday, about ten years from now, Fritz and a bunch of free fly old-timers will be at a party in the Perris Ghetto on a Wednesday night, and they'll be rolling on the floor laughing. But their laughter will only serve to obscure the freight train that's coming right at them . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #57 December 21, 2004 Quote Quade where are you man ? Right here still waiting to see something that differentiates this from what I've seen others do before. If I look at hard core 4-way I can tell it's different than people doing 10-way speed. If I look at a person doing head down, he's clearly doing something different than belly-to-earth. If I look at the photos of Atmonauti I can't see anything different than what I've seen in a tracking dive.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #58 December 21, 2004 Quote and we rolled on the floor laughing . . . *** Amen Brother! Must have been about 20 years ago... I was sitting in the back of my pickup with some Elsinore regulars when YOU walked by and said hello... Comments were made regarding the 'parasite' sport of BASE jumping and how it was ruining 'regular' skydiving. One of the then 'old hands' made a comment about how it would SURELY burn itself out... through "Natural Selection" and things would get back to the way they were supposed to be... Hummm...nobody's laughing now! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #59 December 21, 2004 >>I was sitting in the back of my pickup with some Elsinore regulars when YOU walked by and said hello... Comments were made regarding the 'parasite' sport of BASE jumping and how it was ruining 'regular' skydiving. << It just goes to prove, and I hate stealing this from the TV show, but: Outwit, Outplay, and Outlast really works . . . NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #60 December 21, 2004 Quote If I look at the photos of Atmonauti I can't see anything different than what I've seen in a tracking dive. Quote The tee shirts are cooler! ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atmodude 0 #61 December 21, 2004 hmm, so if you can't/don't wanne see it and can't feel it too it will be difficult to fly it thats for sure. nevermind ;-) as long as everyone is enjoying their flights as longs as they are ! :-) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #62 December 21, 2004 QuoteATMONAUTI IS NOT ABOUT FLOCKING AT ALL It is flocking.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Frenchy68 0 #63 December 21, 2004 QuoteIt is flocking. you're just jealous... "For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #64 December 21, 2004 Quoteatmonauti ! it is an angle flight technique, around 45 degrees angle of flight... more info on Marco and Gi's website EDITED TO CORRECT URL Dayum what a cool website!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Atmodude 0 #65 December 21, 2004 sorry for my bad englisg but what is exact meaning of flocking ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #66 December 21, 2004 Quote...i like this ===> Foto ~ it is steve's avatar: Beautiful!!... What a beautiful shot! Now this is something I want to do! Quote i hope to fly Atmonauti with Gi & Marco one day! that would be a dream come true Amen, me too!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #67 December 21, 2004 QuoteQuoteATMONAUTI IS NOT ABOUT FLOCKING AT ALL It is flocking. Atmonauti is absolutely about flocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #68 December 21, 2004 Quoteit is all about knowing it, not about thinking it Yea, right. I am thinking about making myself King. Can you feel it? Anytime there are 2 or more people in the air, flying together, it is relative work. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #69 December 21, 2004 QuoteAnytime there are 2 or more people in the air, flying together, it is relative work. Great point.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #70 December 21, 2004 Flocking is a skydive, usually done in a head down position, but I have seen them lead in a sit/stand position, where a bunch of jumpers follow a leader on a diagnol trajectory across the sky. Sounds A LOT like atmonauti, but I guess it's not seeing how atmonauti was only "invented" a couple years ago, and flocking has been happening for 10+ years. I'm with you on this one Quade. And yes, I've done them... Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #71 December 21, 2004 Quotesorry for my bad englisg but what is exact meaning of flocking ? Freeflying on a vector ranging between head down and tracking.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyhi 24 #72 December 21, 2004 QuoteOne of the then 'old hands' made a comment about how it would SURELY burn itself out... through "Natural Selection" and things would get back to the way they were supposed to be... Hummm...nobody's laughing now You can still laugh about skyboarding and freestyle. Those are about to be Darwinized. New and different in some facet doesn't necessarily mean it will survive. Time will tell.Shit happens. And it usually happens because of physics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monkeyb 0 #73 December 21, 2004 So you mean automnauti increases your freefall time? How does this happen :x I belly fly and I've never had 75 second jumps, even if I try to slow myself down as much as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canuck 0 #74 December 22, 2004 I believe what he means is that an atmonauti dive increases your freefall time as compared to a vertical freefly dive due to the differences in fall rate, in the same way a flat fly jump increases your freefall time over a sitfly. Without the aid of a wingsuit, the best use of altitude is a tracking dive. I've been on a few (leading ) that were protracked and Neptuned in the low 80 mph range. Canuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkymonkeyONE 4 #75 December 22, 2004 Flying on a 45 degree angle (freefly flocking, atmonauti, whatever) only marginally extends your freefall time over vertical skydives. You will still burn a hole in the sky at least 25 percent faster than a flailing belly flyer. Want to really extend your horizontal, social, flying experience? Fly a wingsuit. I'll promise you there is nothing you can do in the atmonauti form that I cannot do in my wingsuit, and I will be doing it for a minimum of two minutes. Edited to make a correction: anything other than flying efficiently feet-first. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
