airdweller 0 #1 April 27, 2005 I was reading through some of the AAD posts and it got me thinking. Say your 4 or 8 year AAD checkup was due, i.e you have to send it back to the manufacturer. Would you jump your rig without your AAD? Just Curious------------------------------------------------------ "From the mightiest pharaoh to the lowliest peasant, who doesn't enjoy a good sit?" C. Montgomery Burns Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #2 April 27, 2005 I would have to buy an AAD before I could jump with out mine. You assume everyone has an AAD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #3 April 27, 2005 Yes, both TLML and I have done so. We had almost 400 jumps before we each got the other a CYPRES for Valentine's Day one year. Faster horses, younger women, older whiskey, more money. Why do they call it "Tourist Season" if we can't shoot them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkydiveNFlorida 0 #4 April 27, 2005 When you make the decision to use an AAD, you are making that decision so that in the case of emergency, you might be saved. If you send it off to the mfg, you should consider why you chose to have one in the first place before you decide to jump without one. I was convinced to buy one by my boyfriend after some serious discussion about things that could go wrong in freefall, and people who have passed out after being kicked in the head and corked on, etc, and woken up in a tree because their cypres saved them. Personally, I would have to think about jumping w/o a cypres for freefly as it is risky which is why I bought the cypres. I'd probably stick to hop n pops for a while if my cypres were out... it'd give me some needed canopy time anyhow:) -A Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #5 April 27, 2005 Yet another AAD discussion/pool? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickDG 23 #6 April 27, 2005 I, and many others, made thousands of jumps without them before they became the norm. So I suppose it's a generational thing. So yes, I wouldn't think twice about jumping sans AAD. And besides the better parachute lofts should have loaner AADs for when yours gets sent in for maintenance. NickD BASE 194 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,307 #7 April 27, 2005 Sent mine in Monday for four-year. Will be jumping.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icon134 0 #8 April 27, 2005 For what it's worth... I said yes... I would be willing to jump without it...Livin' on the Edge... sleeping with my rigger's wife... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkiD_PL8 0 #9 April 27, 2005 I voted yes but I do not have an AAD in my rig to begin with. Greenie in training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sid 1 #10 April 27, 2005 never owned one, no inclination to get one so........ yeah I guess soPete Draper, Just because my life plan is written on the back of a Hooter's Napkin, it's still a life plan.... right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mailin 0 #11 April 27, 2005 No. But then again, its not a smart idea for me personally. I'm also not allowed to jump at my DZ without one. JenArianna Frances Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattjw916 2 #12 April 27, 2005 yes, I'd jump without one. What's that shirt say anyway... you'll be fine as long as you don't do anything stupid. NSCR-2376, SCR-15080 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crotalus01 0 #13 April 27, 2005 yes, but I would be wary of doing anything but solos. As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #14 April 27, 2005 I said yes because I have jumped without a cypress while it was out for a 4 year. I'll do it again next yearI promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #15 April 27, 2005 My cypress ran out of time last summer, so yes I will be jumping without one until I can come up with the cash to get another one. I made about 300 jumps in the 70's without one, so it's something I've done before. I think I'll probably invest in a vigil next time around. If I had a back rating I'd be tempted to put my old cypress back in, even though it is out of date. But then again I am kind of an imoral bastard....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #16 April 27, 2005 Yes. And, I have demo'd rigs that didn't have an AAD in them.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CSpenceFLY 1 #17 April 27, 2005 In a heart beat.I'm not anti-AAD but if that is a big factor in if you jump I would say you need to re-evaluate if you should be jumping at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flyangel2 2 #18 April 27, 2005 No. I am a single mother of two boys that lost their dad in a skydiving accident. It wouldn't be fair to them to lose me too. I too learned how to skydive way before ADDs were used, but since then my life has changed and I have to be responsible for finishing a job I started 19 years ago. I try to time my cypress check ups during the winter when I'm not doing much jumping. The check up doesn't take long, and it's back in my rig before I know it.May your trails be crooked, winding, lonesome, dangerous, leading to the most amazing view. May your mountains rise into and above the clouds. - Edward Abbey Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #19 April 27, 2005 QuotePersonally, I would have to think about jumping w/o a cypres for freefly as it is risky which is why I bought the cypres. I'd probably stick to hop n pops for a while if my cypres were out... it'd give me some needed canopy time anyhow:) Same here. I currently don't have my cypres, but i still jump. I just won't do freefly jumps with newbies til my cypres comes back from its 4yr. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
johnny1488 1 #20 April 28, 2005 yup got a cypres in one rig and none in the other. I dont use the other rig for much more than pond swooping as of yet, but I would do normal jumps with it also. Johnny --"This ain't no book club, we're all gonna die!" Mike Rome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kris 0 #21 April 28, 2005 I just got my Cypres back from it's 4-year but I'm not opening my reserve to put it back in until the reserve is due. I have been jumping without it and it hasn't changed my skydiving at all.Sky, Muff Bro, Rodriguez Bro, and Bastion of Purity and Innocence!™ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sdctlc 0 #22 April 28, 2005 Well, I think an AAD is a backup and I have well over 1000 jumps W/O one... I can safely say I would jump with out one. With one I am 100% sure that I turn it on though, it is an extra level of safety that is nice to have, nothing to rely on but nice to have...... Scott C"He who Hesitates Shall Inherit the Earth!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
luckysideburns 0 #23 April 28, 2005 I normally jump with an AAD.. but it came time for the AAD in the rig I was using to be checked. We removed the AAD and closed the rig (after a repack). I have since jumped with it a few times.. I do keep the idea that there is no AAD in the back of my mind... no second chance.. and I've noticed that I'm more stringent on the type of jumps I do (no freefly, RW, etc) where kicks and bumps are more likely to happen. It's bad to say this.. but I think that we may be inclined to take an extra chance or two while wearing an AAD simply because there is that extra security blanket "just in case" something were to happen... "it'll save me!". I'm not saying it's right.. just that it "is". Anyone else feel similar or different?Tan-I, AFF-I, S&TA, Freefall Photographer, Skydive University Coach Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
phoenixlpr 0 #24 April 28, 2005 Quote... no second chance.. Khm. I`d rather call it last chance...... I had 50+ jumps without AAD: hop`n`pop and RW too. I`ve proved myself in EP before. Jumping shouldn`t be about AAD. Once I had a jump with a gear having PPKU,old mechanical AAD. I`ve forgot to arm it onboard. I`ve noticed it just after landing. I`ve realized that I`m not depending on AAD anymore... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Liemberg 0 #25 April 28, 2005 QuoteI think that we may be inclined to take an extra chance or two while wearing an AAD simply because there is that extra security blanket "just in case" something were to happen... "it'll save me!". I'm not saying it's right.. just that it "is". When it "is", it is 'right" as far as I'm concerned. I think it is inevitable and anybody who says that for him or her this isn't the case is 'in denial' One of the leading scholars about automobile safety in the Netherlands once said that the main frustration in his line of work was that due to psychological reasons ('personal levels of risk acceptance') every time they invented a gadget to make driving safer it seemed that the drivers themselves found new ways they would never have thought about without it, to make the activity more dangerous. The classic example there was the Ford Scorpio, the first car on the dutch market that had ABS. When winter hit that season it was reported that a lot of drivers with brand new Scorpio's ended up in the ditch next to the road after overtaking the 'snow/service cars' - something one just didn't do in pre-ABS times... "Whoever in discussion adduces authority uses not intellect but memory." - Leonardo da Vinci A thousand words... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites