Left hand for cutaway, right hand for reserve?

[veter_ 0]

Since there have been two fatalities recently caused by cutaway cable not clearing the housing on one side, I thought... why not change the way we pull the handles? i.e., pull the cutaway handle with the left hand to full arm's extension, then pull the reserve handle with the right hand to full arm's extension.

This will add an extra 1-1.5ft to cable travel and will clear the cables for sure.

Besides, if the chest strap is not tight (e.g. after loosening it after opening), pulling with the same side hand may cause harness to slip on shoulder, thus reducing the cable travel. The proposed method will not cause harness slip.

[Jib 0]

I think the idea is to allow you to deploy your reserve if you are unable to use your right arm for your main.

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[PhreeZone 20]

Leveage. It is a whole lot easier to pull in line with the body then crossbody.

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[AggieDave 6]

My thought is that if the cutaway cables are cut to the correct length, the cable and housings are maintained correctly as well as the three rings, you don't have to even fully clear the cables from the housings to get both risers to release correctly (although its a good idea to clear the cable fully).

In the same respect, an integrated collin's laynard would help as well, but thus far only one sport rig on the market has that available (Vector3).

That is simply my opinion, obviously, YMMV.

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[craddock 0]

Are you serious?

Put your rig on and quickly grab both handles and try to fire cutaway followed by reserve. I think you will find your answer.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[Ron 10]

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Since there have been two fatalities recently caused by cutaway cable not clearing the housing on one side, I thought... why not change the way we pull the handles? i.e., pull the cutaway handle with the left hand to full arm's extension, then pull the reserve handle with the right hand to full arm's extension.

This will add an extra 1-1.5ft to cable travel and will clear the cables for sure.

Besides, if the chest strap is not tight (e.g. after loosening it after opening), pulling with the same side hand may cause harness to slip on shoulder, thus reducing the cable travel. The proposed method will not cause harness slip.

Better to just teach either the pull strip method, or not to pull the reserve till you are free.

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[bmcd308 0]

How much excess cable do you guys have beyond the white loop? My cutaway cables both disappear into the housing well before I reach even half extension on my right arm. My riser channels are only about 6 inches long, and the cables do not even make it to the ends of the channels. Four or five inches of handle pull will clear the yellow cable from the white loop even on the left side.

Brent

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[bmcd308 0]

>>two fatalities recently caused by cutaway cable not clearing the housing on one side<<

The cable only has to clear the loop. The next three feet or so that it takes to clear the housing is irrelevant.

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[airdvr 210]

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caused by cutaway cable not clearing the housing on one side,

We don't know that for a fact yet.

I hate to see anyone advocating changing a system because of a possibility. It took years to get the current setup to be standard issue on all equipment.

Back in the day one of the most common causes of a fatality was changing gear...specifically changing the deployment method. Student would jump a hand depoly system for the first time but revert to told practices and pull the red first (where the ripcord was on their student rig). When they realized what they'd done they would then deploy the main only to have it seperate at line stretch. Sometimes there was enough time for silver...

Let's not speculate on how this latest one occurred. I believe it had very little to do with a cutaway cable not clearing the housing.

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[billvon 2,998]

>Since there have been two fatalities recently caused by cutaway
>cable not clearing the housing on one side . . .

A) we don't know this is the case, and
B) if that worries you, perhaps a Collins lanyard would be a good investment.

[Ron 10]

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caused by cutaway cable not clearing the housing on one side,

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We don't know that for a fact yet.

Uh dude....Thats not me saying that.

I said:

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Better to just teach either the pull strip method, or not to pull the reserve till you are free.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms." -- Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

[craddock 0]

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Uh dude....Thats not me saying that

So what?

Are you that worried about your image? It is obvious he just responded to the last post. As soon as I read the post I actually thought " I wonder how long it will take Ron to cry that he did not write that". It took longer than I thought. You must have been busy.

Relax.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[Ron 10]

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So what?

Are you that worried about your image? It is obvious he just responded to the last post. As soon as I read the post I actually thought " I wonder how long it will take Ron to cry that he did not write that". It took longer than I thought. You must have been busy.

Maybe I don't want people thinking I said stuff I didn't say.

Maybe you should relax since it has nothing to do with you at all, but you jumped right in and stuck your nose in it.

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[skybytch 273]

Thanks for adding to the noise level in here guys.

[DJL 235]

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Put your rig on and quickly grab both handles and try to fire cutaway followed by reserve. I think you will find your answer.

Not sure what you were suggesting but that's pretty horrible body position on top of just being difficult to quickly get your hands there.

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[Ron 10]

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Thanks for adding to the noise level in here guys.

And your post HELPED?

He jumped my shit, I corrected him.

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[Frenchy68 0]

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Not sure what you were suggesting but that's pretty horrible body position on top of just being difficult to quickly get your hands there.

At terminal, I wonder if quickly reaching for silver with the right hand would actually barrel roll you on your back...

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[headoverheels 333]

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At terminal, I wonder if quickly reaching for silver with the right hand would actually barrel roll you on your back...

Not that likely. I've never pulled my reserve with my left hand. I don't barrel roll when I reach for my main, either.

[skybytch 273]

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And your post HELPED?

If it made you think about noise in the topical forums, then yeah, it did.

If it didn't, oh well. I'm sure someone with the power will remove the noisy posts, including mine.

[sundevil777 102]

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Leveage. It is a whole lot easier to pull in line with the body then crossbody.

Absolutely, much easier to punch forward from the same side. PUNCH, I think, is exactly the thing to emphasize.

Also, those doubtful of their ability to pull the handles might consider using standard/large 3-rings.

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[craddock 0]

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Not sure what you were suggesting but that's pretty horrible body position on top of just being difficult to quickly get your hands there.
Doug

Indeed. Although, if you were going to only grab one at a time it might not be that bad, but then why not just clear the cables with the off hand like if you are concerned. I just thought it was a somewhat silly to suggest, and one who crossed their arms to grab both handles would most likely see the error in their suggestion.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[Ron 10]

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Not that likely. I've never pulled my reserve with my left hand. I don't barrel roll when I reach for my main, either.

You don't, but you have 3,000+ jumps. I have seen students go unstable on a main pull. Somewhere between 0 and 3,000 it might not be a problem, but I would bet a good number of folks would go unstable if they tried it.

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[Frenchy68 0]

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Not that likely. I've never pulled my reserve with my left hand.

Out of curiosity: have you ever pulled your reserve with your right hand at terminal? If so, do you train yourself to do so, or was it dictated by other events?

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I don't barrel roll when I reach for my main, either.

Neither do I. Although I've never tried to pull with my left hand...

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[sundevil777 102]

I found this cable pull force vs suspended load chart in another thread. The guy said he gathered data toghther to make it.

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=post_attachment;postatt_id=20716;

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[headoverheels 333]

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Out of curiosity: have you ever pulled your reserve with your right hand at terminal?

Yes. Not that I particularly recommend pulling the reserve with the right hand. I also have several hundred pulls on mains with ripcords. The motion is not much different -- left hand crossing overhead, right hand comes in and pulls. It is pretty much the same motion with the left hand that I make when doing a right hand BOC throwout, for that matter. It would be interesting to see whether I would be as stable at terminal, if I were to use my left hand to pull. I think my right arm would "know" where to go, but that motion is not as ingrained. I also throw away cutaway handles.