mouth 0 #101 August 12, 2003 I've even been invited to go with the gang to the Mayors place, and met the mayor. Nice guy and a great place to hang out. Of course the company wasn't bad either. -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RippedCord 0 #102 August 12, 2003 QuoteL.O. as in Load Organizers. A great group of guys and gals (some of them world record holders too) who will make sure you are welcomed and have a good time at Perris How does one identify/join this club of people? AMDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mouth 0 #103 August 12, 2003 Anyone at Perris can point them out to you or ask at manifest and they will gladly help you. I believe they have several people organizing every weekend because I jumped with Mike Muscat and Cary Peck both in the same day. FUN -- Hot Mama At least you know where you stand even if it is in a pile of shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RippedCord 0 #104 August 12, 2003 Approximately how many people make up this "Load Organizer" clique (<--for lack of a better term)? I can't say I've ever seen this group out there. AMDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #105 August 12, 2003 QuotePerris can suck my dick. Bought a rig there , gave their chef all the finest Albacore I caught on a fishing trip, bought all the beer for people and they kicked me out because I stayed in the bunkhouse 3 times and didnt jumpl. Deland rules Capitalism in action. If you don't like a business for whatever reason ... don't whine, just go elsewhere.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #106 August 12, 2003 QuoteApproximately how many people make up this "Load Organizer" clique (<--for lack of a better term)? I can't say I've ever seen this group out there. Its not a clique, or a club, or an assoication, etc... Its a service offered by some of the larger DZs to get RWer (and FFers I guess) to jump with others if they dont have a team or a group already. Larger DZs will also tend to have a few of these Organizers to catter to various skill levels. Ask manifest who they are.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jayruss 0 #107 August 12, 2003 Quote How does one identify/join this club of people? Ask at manifest __________________________________________________ "Beware how you take away hope from another human being." -Oliver Wendell Holmes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #108 August 12, 2003 Quote How does one identify/join this club of people? At any of the really large drop zones, anybody of any personality, style or discipline can almost always find -somebody- of a similar personality, style or discipline to jump with. If you can't, you probably aren't trying -- at all. Trust me. You could go to SDC or Eloy or Perris and be lost in the crowd if you wanted to, but by the same token, if you wanted to jump with world record holders in RW or freefly or whatever . . . those folks are there and will probably welcome you with open arms if you just make even the slightest effort. All you really need to do at ANY drop zone -- is ask.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #109 August 12, 2003 QuoteQuote How does one identify/join this club of people? At any of the really large drop zones, anybody of any personality, style or discipline can almost always find -somebody- of a similar personality, style or discipline to jump with. If you can't, you probably aren't trying -- at all. Trust me. You could go to SDC or Eloy or Perris and be lost in the crowd if you wanted to, but by the same token, if you wanted to jump with world record holders in RW or freefly or whatever . . . those folks are there and will probably welcome you with open arms if you just make even the slightest effort. All you really need to do at ANY drop zone -- is ask. At most of the bigger DZs I've been to there has been a list of LOs posted somewhere (outside manifest at ZHills, on the Team Funnel board at Chicago, etc.)... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #110 August 12, 2003 QuotePerris can suck my dick. Bought a rig there , gave their chef all the finest Albacore I caught on a fishing trip, bought all the beer for people and they kicked me out because I stayed in the bunkhouse 3 times and didnt jumpl. Deland rules I'm sure DeLand is a nice place. And with an attitude like that you can just go ahead stay there.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #111 August 12, 2003 At any of the really large drop zones, anybody of any personality, style or discipline can almost always find -somebody- of a similar personality, style or discipline to jump with. If you can't, you probably aren't trying -- at all. Quade, Ripped Cord was just asking a question that he did not know the answer to. He PMed me to tell me that he just got his license last weekend. (Congratulations, Ripped!) He is really friendly and outgoing as a person , but he is NEW to skydiving. Many people forget what that is like. When first went to Perris, I only had 14 jumps AND was coming from a small, newly closed, non-USPA DZ. (MANY people scoffed. ) Our experiences/interaction with others at a DZ are obviously different as students. I obviously couldn't jump with anyone else that was not a coach or instructor. Therefore, my experience as a pre-"A" license student during WEEKDAYS ONLY was different than yours. (The Canadian and British military was training when I was there.) When I went to Elsinore for the first time as a student, I just happened to feel more at home there. (I was able to rip out my 18th, 19th 20th jumps & "A" license in one afternoon after stopping by at 2 p..m. on a weekday!) Also, I have felt at home at EVERY other DZ (only 1/2 dozen so far) that I have visited. I think that my experiences at Perris were a fluke. That is why I am going back for a day of fun jumping. My skydiving still sucks (LOL!), but my prior experiences had more to do with my student situation than anything else. I also have to say that I met a man at Perris that owned the hangar, and he WAS VERY NICE. He tried to make me feel at home. Many people seem to be harshly judging others who may have had strange experiences at DZ, thinking that it HAD to be their own fault for not having a blast. However, people are ALWAYS going to prefer one DZ over another. (It's a little like religion...there is no right and wrong religion/god/DZ. It's all good.) I was always a little scared, but very happy to go to Perris. It just did not work out the way that I would have liked at the time. It's nice to know that there is a loyal Perris "family" devoted to their home DZ. Best wishes to my sky brothers and sisters "across the way" at Perris! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RippedCord 0 #112 August 12, 2003 nevermind --Emily Latella AMDG Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #113 August 12, 2003 Quote Quade, Ripped Cord was just asking a question that he did not know the answer to. And all I'm trying to do is answer it in the best way I know how. If a person is new to a drop zone, especially one as large as the one we're talking about, then the new person has to ask for a little help in finding like minded jumpers and people to jump with. The LOs are also going to be looking for new faces and folks that seem a bit "lost" (that's actually a part of their job), but the reality is that in a sea of 200 faces at a drop zone, it's going to be a little difficult for them to find all the new fish. Help them help you by asking for them and their services. They'll get you hooked up in a group of folks at a similar skill level, they'll work things out so you have a chance to meet folks and gain a few skills as well as have some fun jumps. Ask if anyone is going out to eat afterward and, unless they aren't going, you'll be invited along. It's all there for the asking.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #114 August 12, 2003 QuoteI think I'm asking the wrong question. Let me try again. Other than "[a] great group of guys and gals...who will make sure you are welcomed and have a good time at Perris," WHAT is a Load Organizer? I'm having a hard time believing that manifest just keeps a handy list of friendly people at a DZ. A Load Organizer is someone that tries to organize loads. He/she will make themselves available to collect jump tickets or get people on manifest and to come up with a dive plan that will challenge or entertain the group they have going. Different LOs may focus on different levels. At Skydive Chicago I focus on newbies with less than 100 jumps. People with more than 100 jumps are welcome to come along and often do but I'm on the lookout for that person just off student status and doesn't know anyone. If I see an unfumiliar face I try to go up and introduce myself and ask who they are jumping with. They may not want to do belly flying dives so I point them in the direction of the Free Fly organizers or take them over and introduce them directly. A LO should be someone who spreads good will around the DZ and usually has a smile on their face all the time because they are enjoying what they are doing.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #115 August 12, 2003 QuoteThe LOs are also going to be looking for new faces and folks that seem a bit "lost" (that's actually a part of their job), but the reality is that in a sea of 200 faces at a drop zone, it's going to be a little difficult for them to find all the new fish. Beat me by -> <- much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #116 August 12, 2003 QuoteWHAT is a Load Organizer? The term is used when talking about anyone that is "in-charge" of a particular group of skydivers exiting an aircraft together. The term has both formal and informal connotations. Informally, it might just be a guy that got a few friends together, collected the jump tickets, manifested the group and lead the dirt-dive and skydive. Formally, it might be a fairly respected individual who the drop zone has designated to represent themselves to the jumpers. They'd perform all of the previously mentioned items, but also have a responsibility to the drop zone to find and brief new jumpers about local safety issues. A kind of shepard watching a flock. These are the LOs you'll get directed to if you go to the Manifest window and ask for one.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #117 August 12, 2003 A LO should be someone who spreads good will around the DZ and usually has a smile on their face all the time because they are enjoying what they are doing. That's nice because I was asked by an out-of-towner if I was a Load Organizer at Elsinore! Edited to add: I took it as a HUGE compliment. (Of course, I then offered to jump with this experienced, but new-to-the-DZ jumper.) I do not feel that I am in ANY way even close to being able to have the honors of being one. I was thinking that someday (after thousands of jumps), this would be a wonderful thing to do on a DZ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #118 August 12, 2003 Quote(after thousands of jumps) Thousands of jumps? Ummm......[looks at logbook] Will you settle for just 800? S'all I gotz.Chris Schindler www.diverdriver.com ATP/D-19012 FB #4125 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VanillaSkyGirl 6 #119 August 12, 2003 Thousands of jumps? Ummm......[looks at logbook] Will you settle for just 800? S'all I gotz. You're cute. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ZigZagMarquis 9 #120 August 13, 2003 QuoteHI, As I am coming close to getting my cast off from my broken leg, I decided to go up to Perris to watch people jump and hang out..... I noticed that the jump ticket prices used to be $16 dollars to 12.5k on weekdays. It was the best deal in Southern California! Then they added a $1 dollar surcharge if you wanted to use your credit card. I feel this is very unprofessional...I shouldn't have to pay their credit card fees! Now 2 weeks later..... they raised the tickets to $19 dollars on weekdays and $21 dollars on weekends. So in one month, they jacked the cost up 3 bucks per jump.....isn't that a bid harsh? I don't wan't to sound cheap....but what is my motivation to jump on weekdays and wait for slow loads? I feel like this is being done because they are building a wind tunnel and are short on cash. Just venting! Scott Hey. Perris has to pay for that wind-tunnel and Dan BC somehow! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Racenic 0 #121 August 13, 2003 Hey Scott, I took about an hour to read all of the replies in this thread. And there is something no one has really touched on. Since 9-11 all forms of insurance costs have gone through the roof. The company I work for (Group Homes for the Developmentally Disabled) had workers comp insurance go up over 400 % from last year. Fire insurance went up 250 % from last year. We contract with the state of California and since the budget is in the toilet, we had to close down 3 homes (opened for over 25 years) Because we can't raise the prices (like a DZ can) in order to pay the costs to operate and keep our head above the water. The future doesn't look good either. There is so much behind the scene cost to operate a business whether it's an auto repair or a Drop Zone. And what really SUCKS is every time some A hole tries to take a DZ to court, you have to hire an Attorney who wants 2 -5 grand just to take your business reagardless if the case gets tossed out of court or settled out of court. Even when an ex-employee files a bogus worker's comp claim, which happens all of the time, more often than some A hole suing. It costs the DZ money DZ, really don't want to raise prices, because there are approx 36,00 active skydivers nation wide, That is really a small number when you think about it.(population of California is 23 plus million) They know in the back of there mind when the prices go up they may lose jumpers. Perris also knows that the summer time is their slowest time of the year. So in order to attract jumper, or keep them from attending boogies else where all summer they offer a great rate. Last Summer the prices were $14 to 12.5 Seven days a week from Memorial Day through Labor day. Afterward the price increased to 20 dollars on the weekend. In addition Perris offer a couple of boogie a year were the prices are lower 17 on weekends. I started jumping Cal City 3 years ago were the prices were 18 to 12.5 Since they are a small DZ (1 otter) which was almost never full. They had to raise their price to 20 dollars almost a year before Elsinore or Perris because of the raising cost of fuel. In Addition AAW flies a King Air which (someone correct me if I'm wrong) takes less fuel and flies/climbs faster to 13 grand than an Otter. Therefore the cost to operate is less I prefer to jump on weekends cause all of the best people from newbies to old timers are there regardless how many times I jump, it's just great to hang out at the dropzone, any dropzone, I wouldn't trade the friends I have made in this sport for any other sport or any amount of money Blue Skies Nick P.S. Find something real to vent about next time... Nick D The key to Immortality is- first living a life worth remembering” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites AggieDave 6 #122 August 13, 2003 QuoteI feel like this is being done because they are building a wind tunnel and are short on cash. I don't think you actually know all the variables involved in determining jump ticket prices. Airplane maintence Fuel prices (which have been going up) Pilot Airplane note/rental (if its not paid for) That's a short list and very general list of some of the stuff that has to be taken care of BEFORE a profit is actually made for the DZ. Without the profit, the DZ doesn't make money (obviously) and can't do anything for the jumpers in way of facilities, special events, etc.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #123 August 13, 2003 QuoteThousands of jumps? Ummm......[looks at logbook] Will you settle for just 800? S'all I gotz. You're cute. Yes, and he's better looking since I kicked him in the face doing 10-way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites diverdriver 5 #124 August 13, 2003 QuoteQuote You're cute. Yes, and he's better looking since I kicked him in the face doing 10-way. Yah, I wear a fullface helmet now. So what's that supposed to mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites burmite 0 #125 July 14, 2009 Air adventures closed because the landlord filed a bogus eviction and the owner’s attorney dropped the ball on the case and they wear evicted. The dropzone was doing very well other than a bunch of mouthy fu*& face jumpers like you running your snatch hole about stuff you have no clue about…. 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ZigZagMarquis 9 #120 August 13, 2003 QuoteHI, As I am coming close to getting my cast off from my broken leg, I decided to go up to Perris to watch people jump and hang out..... I noticed that the jump ticket prices used to be $16 dollars to 12.5k on weekdays. It was the best deal in Southern California! Then they added a $1 dollar surcharge if you wanted to use your credit card. I feel this is very unprofessional...I shouldn't have to pay their credit card fees! Now 2 weeks later..... they raised the tickets to $19 dollars on weekdays and $21 dollars on weekends. So in one month, they jacked the cost up 3 bucks per jump.....isn't that a bid harsh? I don't wan't to sound cheap....but what is my motivation to jump on weekdays and wait for slow loads? I feel like this is being done because they are building a wind tunnel and are short on cash. Just venting! Scott Hey. Perris has to pay for that wind-tunnel and Dan BC somehow! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Racenic 0 #121 August 13, 2003 Hey Scott, I took about an hour to read all of the replies in this thread. And there is something no one has really touched on. Since 9-11 all forms of insurance costs have gone through the roof. The company I work for (Group Homes for the Developmentally Disabled) had workers comp insurance go up over 400 % from last year. Fire insurance went up 250 % from last year. We contract with the state of California and since the budget is in the toilet, we had to close down 3 homes (opened for over 25 years) Because we can't raise the prices (like a DZ can) in order to pay the costs to operate and keep our head above the water. The future doesn't look good either. There is so much behind the scene cost to operate a business whether it's an auto repair or a Drop Zone. And what really SUCKS is every time some A hole tries to take a DZ to court, you have to hire an Attorney who wants 2 -5 grand just to take your business reagardless if the case gets tossed out of court or settled out of court. Even when an ex-employee files a bogus worker's comp claim, which happens all of the time, more often than some A hole suing. It costs the DZ money DZ, really don't want to raise prices, because there are approx 36,00 active skydivers nation wide, That is really a small number when you think about it.(population of California is 23 plus million) They know in the back of there mind when the prices go up they may lose jumpers. Perris also knows that the summer time is their slowest time of the year. So in order to attract jumper, or keep them from attending boogies else where all summer they offer a great rate. Last Summer the prices were $14 to 12.5 Seven days a week from Memorial Day through Labor day. Afterward the price increased to 20 dollars on the weekend. In addition Perris offer a couple of boogie a year were the prices are lower 17 on weekends. I started jumping Cal City 3 years ago were the prices were 18 to 12.5 Since they are a small DZ (1 otter) which was almost never full. They had to raise their price to 20 dollars almost a year before Elsinore or Perris because of the raising cost of fuel. In Addition AAW flies a King Air which (someone correct me if I'm wrong) takes less fuel and flies/climbs faster to 13 grand than an Otter. Therefore the cost to operate is less I prefer to jump on weekends cause all of the best people from newbies to old timers are there regardless how many times I jump, it's just great to hang out at the dropzone, any dropzone, I wouldn't trade the friends I have made in this sport for any other sport or any amount of money Blue Skies Nick P.S. Find something real to vent about next time... Nick D The key to Immortality is- first living a life worth remembering” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #122 August 13, 2003 QuoteI feel like this is being done because they are building a wind tunnel and are short on cash. I don't think you actually know all the variables involved in determining jump ticket prices. Airplane maintence Fuel prices (which have been going up) Pilot Airplane note/rental (if its not paid for) That's a short list and very general list of some of the stuff that has to be taken care of BEFORE a profit is actually made for the DZ. Without the profit, the DZ doesn't make money (obviously) and can't do anything for the jumpers in way of facilities, special events, etc.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #123 August 13, 2003 QuoteThousands of jumps? Ummm......[looks at logbook] Will you settle for just 800? S'all I gotz. You're cute. Yes, and he's better looking since I kicked him in the face doing 10-way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverdriver 5 #124 August 13, 2003 QuoteQuote You're cute. Yes, and he's better looking since I kicked him in the face doing 10-way. Yah, I wear a fullface helmet now. So what's that supposed to mean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burmite 0 #125 July 14, 2009 Air adventures closed because the landlord filed a bogus eviction and the owner’s attorney dropped the ball on the case and they wear evicted. The dropzone was doing very well other than a bunch of mouthy fu*& face jumpers like you running your snatch hole about stuff you have no clue about…. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
