Anything a skydiver CAN'T get out of?

[councilman24 37]

Random thought from another thread. Any plane, even the crappiest jump ship, is better than one you CAN'T get out of.

Is there anything a determined skydiver (read ANY skydiver) can't get out of?

Space shuttle, yep?
Airliner, yep?
Ultralight, yep?
Concorde, not flying anymore, but probably yep, low and slow.
SR71, did they have ejection seats? Hmmm designed for some sort of bailout if not seat.

Needs to be reusable and intended for human flight. High enough and suffiecient time and not destroyed during exit. And survivable.

Anything we can't (legality not considered) get out of?

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Terry Urban
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[Mazz 0]

Saturn V Rocket.

In the Navy, you can't put your hands in your pockets but I was always told not to put my hands in my pockets by people with their hands in their pockets. Kinda funny huh?

[billvon 3,063]

>Saturn V Rocket.

The Apollo CM had both an escape system and a pyrotechnically-ejectable door.

[councilman24 37]

Doesn't meet the criteria!!!

But, as pointed out. Fire the escape rocket after launch before high speed as intended, fire the door (post apollo 8 I think) and out the skydiver goes.

I'm as serious as a stupid discussion can get. We get out of biplanes, jets, balloons, 152's with the door on, helicopters, Super Connie's, warbirds. I THINK every military plane ever has had a way to get out. X-1? Space shuttle crew wear parachutes.

What was the x prize space ship? maybe that did it have an escape mechanism?

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Terry Urban
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[regulator 0]

Try exiting out of this!

[airtwardo 7]

Bell X-1?

X-15??

~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~

[BillyVance 34]

What about a Lear jet with the side engines on the rear end of the fuselage, right behind the door?

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[billvon 3,063]

>What about a Lear jet with the side engines on the rear end of the
>fuselage, right behind the door?

Not sure about the Lears, but the Challengers had a very convenient cargo door that opened inward right below the left engine intake.

[Mazz 0]

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Bell X-1?

X-15??

The x-15 ejection seat had wings. It was awesome.

In the Navy, you can't put your hands in your pockets but I was always told not to put my hands in my pockets by people with their hands in their pockets. Kinda funny huh?

[LongWayToFall 0]

So the craft has to be unmodified? You could always strap one of these to just about anything.

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/4736/686ce9.jpg

[councilman24 37]

Yeager wore a parachute. Must have thought he could. Or he just needed the seat cushion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yeager_supersonic_flight_1947.ogg

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Terry Urban
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[Halfpastniner 0]

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Bell X-1?

X-15??

didnt the X-1 have a razor sharp wing waiting for anyone who tried to get out?

I mean i guess you could get out, but would you want to?

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[councilman24 37]

Isn't that's what on here?

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But no, that doesn't count.

But, does the aircraft have to survive? My game, my rules. yes unless its a single seater.

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Terry Urban
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[quade 4]

I'm guessing that bailing from this would be a little "dicey".
http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/lockner_helicovector.php

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[councilman24 37]

Yeah, but can you ROLL it. I bet if one rotor stop it will THROW you clear.

Maybe close. But I'm declaring a winner. Remember, I added to the rules. Single seat (perch?) doesn't have to survive after exit.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
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[ficus 0]

Debt?

[councilman24 37]

Good answer but belongs in SC. And my net worth is positive.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
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[billvon 3,063]

>The x-15 ejection seat had wings. It was awesome.

The F-111 ejection 'seat' was an entire airplane with a rocket motor, flaps, chaff and flare dispensers, and a bilge pump (for water landings of course.)

[Andy9o8 2]

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>Saturn V Rocket.

The Apollo CM had both an escape system and a pyrotechnically-ejectable door.

As best as I recall, the system was an SRB escape tower that separated and jetissoned the entire CM from the rest of the stack, after which the CM, with astronauts still inside, landed under its parachutes. And yes, you could blow the hatch, but I recall that was for either emergency pre-launch egress (to avoid another Apollo 1 disaster, where the bolted-on hatch prevented rapid egress, with lethal consequences), or post-landing egress; unlike the Shuttle, I don't believe the Apollo astronauts had personal parachutes to enable them to survive a bail-out from the craft in flight.

[billvon 3,063]

> I don't believe the Apollo astronauts had personal parachutes to enable them
>to survive a bail-out from the craft in flight.

Right - but I'd have one.

[nbblood 0]

Here you go. Can't see the door, can't get out.

Blues,
Nathan

If you wait 'til the last minute, it'll only take a minute.

[regulator 0]

Nathan,

I almost peed myself when I saw the wonderwoman airplane. Priceless.

[councilman24 37]

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> I don't believe the Apollo astronauts had personal parachutes to enable them
>to survive a bail-out from the craft in flight.

Right - but I'd have one.

Me too. They just didn't think of it. Including with the space shuttle originally. And that thing flies like a brick (oops, glider) part of the time. Although I seem to remember the Enterpirse atmospheric test vehicle had ejection seats.

Correction, Columbia had ejections seats for the pilots for the first four launches.

I'm old for my age.
Terry Urban
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[kelpdiver 2]

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> I don't believe the Apollo astronauts had personal parachutes to enable them
>to survive a bail-out from the craft in flight.

Right - but I'd have one.

But then you wouldn't fit into the seat.

[JohnMitchell 16]

The Gemini capsule had no escape tower, but regular ejection seats for both astronauts. Shepard had a parachute harness and front mount reserve for his suborbital Mercury flight. I believe some of the first Space Shuttle flights, 2 man crew, had some sort of ejection system installed.

Yeager did wear a rig on the Bell X-1, but bailing out would have been committing suicide to avoid getting killed, what with that wing right behind the egress hatch.

JimandI Capsule pic http://www.daviddarling.info/images/Gemini_capsule.jpg