spiky75 0 #1 March 10, 2014 http://www.parachutesystems.co.za/safety Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DHemer 0 #2 March 10, 2014 http://www.parachutesystems.co.za/safety What are people's opinions this I am still closing my rig the "old way" as I learned that way. Is this an issue in terms of safety or is either ok Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #3 March 10, 2014 You could end up with a pierced bridle by closing the "old" way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #4 March 10, 2014 You could end up with a bag lock if for some reason you were in a head up position on deployment.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deimian 43 #5 March 10, 2014 DBCOOPERYou could end up with a bag lock if for some reason you were in a head up position on deployment. Can you explain? I don't see how it can happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiky75 0 #6 March 10, 2014 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgU9wT7O0-E Brian germain made a video on it and you can see some pics of what could happenQuote Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deimian 43 #7 March 10, 2014 spiky75 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgU9wT7O0-E Brian germain made a video on it and you can see some pics of what could happen The whole video talks about pilot chute in tow, not bag locks. You owe 10 minutes of my life Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites spiky75 0 #8 March 10, 2014 Sorry!!!! I will give you ten of mines! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Hellis 0 #9 March 10, 2014 Deimian***You could end up with a bag lock if for some reason you were in a head up position on deployment. Can you explain? I don't see how it can happen. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4406247#4406247 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3680704#3680704 Search tag: pierce bridle EDIT: Ooops. Just noticed you didn't quote me... Never mind this post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deimian 43 #10 March 10, 2014 spiky75 Sorry!!!! I will give you ten of mines! I'll trade you your 10 minutes for a jump. Deal? Hellis EDIT: Ooops. Just noticed you didn't quote me... Never mind this post Now you own me a few seconds too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DBCOOPER 5 #11 March 10, 2014 Sorry. I meant pilot chute in tow also.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Deimian 43 #12 March 10, 2014 DBCOOPER Sorry. I meant pilot chute in tow also. So now you also own me some time. I'll trade it for some of the money stolen more than 40 years ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #13 March 11, 2014 french tickler is a good way.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pchapman 279 #14 March 11, 2014 So the Vortex is changing from laying the bridle 'down from top to bottom, across the side flap', to the 'up from the bottom' method, to reduce the chance of the pin piercing the bridle and locking the container. What I find interesting is that this is the first time I recall seeing a company completely change their system, instead of just making the new method an option while retaining the old method. I don't think anyone has proved that the top-to-bottom method necessarily has a risk of locking up, unless packed with poor pin and bridle placement. Nevertheless, the mechanisms of pin lock are still fairly hard to duplicate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DHemer 0 #15 March 12, 2014 Is the bridle pierced during opening or due to wear over time and poor gear maintainence? Guess I got some packing practise to do this evening. Can't wait for people to tell me how I am using the wrong method when i am next at the DZ :p Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #16 March 12, 2014 DHemer What are people's opinions this I am still closing my rig the "old way" as I learned that way. Is this an issue in terms of safety or is either ok Coming up from the bottom IS the old way. There's nothing new about it at all. I've gone back to it and I like it. Mechanically, can you think of anything wrong with it? When a lot of this stuff was invented, we looked at it very hard to see what worked, what wouldn't work and where things could go wrong. There were a lot of hard earned lessons. Think about the mechanics of it all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #17 March 12, 2014 DHemer Can't wait for people to tell me how I am using the wrong method when i am next at the DZ :p The "original" way or the "new" way are not wrong. But sometimes people get creative scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ufk22 33 #18 March 13, 2014 DBCOOPERYou could end up with a PCIT if for some reason you were in a head up position on deployment.If that were true, then there would be a high potential for a PCIT doing it the "old" way if you were head low. As long as there is an inch or two of slack in the bridal between the pin and the bag this will not be a problem. This is not NEW. This has always been done with CRW canopies with retractable pilot chutes.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DBCOOPER 5 #19 March 13, 2014 New way doesn't seem to have much slack.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Southern_Man 0 #20 March 13, 2014 DBCOOPERNew way doesn't seem to have much slack. You don't need slack if the bridle is coming out from the bottom. You do need slack if the bridle is coming out of the top."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DBCOOPER 5 #21 March 13, 2014 That's why the Velcro tab and the slack in the bridleReplying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites spiky75 0 #22 March 13, 2014 So is it better this way.... All the bridle by the bottom? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Deimian 43 #7 March 10, 2014 spiky75 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vgU9wT7O0-E Brian germain made a video on it and you can see some pics of what could happen The whole video talks about pilot chute in tow, not bag locks. You owe 10 minutes of my life Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiky75 0 #8 March 10, 2014 Sorry!!!! I will give you ten of mines! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hellis 0 #9 March 10, 2014 Deimian***You could end up with a bag lock if for some reason you were in a head up position on deployment. Can you explain? I don't see how it can happen. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4406247#4406247 http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=3680704#3680704 Search tag: pierce bridle EDIT: Ooops. Just noticed you didn't quote me... Never mind this post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deimian 43 #10 March 10, 2014 spiky75 Sorry!!!! I will give you ten of mines! I'll trade you your 10 minutes for a jump. Deal? Hellis EDIT: Ooops. Just noticed you didn't quote me... Never mind this post Now you own me a few seconds too Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #11 March 10, 2014 Sorry. I meant pilot chute in tow also.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deimian 43 #12 March 10, 2014 DBCOOPER Sorry. I meant pilot chute in tow also. So now you also own me some time. I'll trade it for some of the money stolen more than 40 years ago Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #13 March 11, 2014 french tickler is a good way.scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pchapman 279 #14 March 11, 2014 So the Vortex is changing from laying the bridle 'down from top to bottom, across the side flap', to the 'up from the bottom' method, to reduce the chance of the pin piercing the bridle and locking the container. What I find interesting is that this is the first time I recall seeing a company completely change their system, instead of just making the new method an option while retaining the old method. I don't think anyone has proved that the top-to-bottom method necessarily has a risk of locking up, unless packed with poor pin and bridle placement. Nevertheless, the mechanisms of pin lock are still fairly hard to duplicate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DHemer 0 #15 March 12, 2014 Is the bridle pierced during opening or due to wear over time and poor gear maintainence? Guess I got some packing practise to do this evening. Can't wait for people to tell me how I am using the wrong method when i am next at the DZ :p Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #16 March 12, 2014 DHemer What are people's opinions this I am still closing my rig the "old way" as I learned that way. Is this an issue in terms of safety or is either ok Coming up from the bottom IS the old way. There's nothing new about it at all. I've gone back to it and I like it. Mechanically, can you think of anything wrong with it? When a lot of this stuff was invented, we looked at it very hard to see what worked, what wouldn't work and where things could go wrong. There were a lot of hard earned lessons. Think about the mechanics of it all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #17 March 12, 2014 DHemer Can't wait for people to tell me how I am using the wrong method when i am next at the DZ :p The "original" way or the "new" way are not wrong. But sometimes people get creative scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ufk22 33 #18 March 13, 2014 DBCOOPERYou could end up with a PCIT if for some reason you were in a head up position on deployment.If that were true, then there would be a high potential for a PCIT doing it the "old" way if you were head low. As long as there is an inch or two of slack in the bridal between the pin and the bag this will not be a problem. This is not NEW. This has always been done with CRW canopies with retractable pilot chutes.This is the paradox of skydiving. We do something very dangerous, expose ourselves to a totally unnecesary risk, and then spend our time trying to make it safer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #19 March 13, 2014 New way doesn't seem to have much slack.Replying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #20 March 13, 2014 DBCOOPERNew way doesn't seem to have much slack. You don't need slack if the bridle is coming out from the bottom. You do need slack if the bridle is coming out of the top."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DBCOOPER 5 #21 March 13, 2014 That's why the Velcro tab and the slack in the bridleReplying to: Re: Stall On Jump Run Emergency Procedure? by billvon If the plane is unrecoverable then exiting is a very very good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spiky75 0 #22 March 13, 2014 So is it better this way.... All the bridle by the bottom? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
