I got it! (re - jumping w/a cypres)

[kelpdiver 2]

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EXACTLY!!!!!, not having your life saved by a toy.

Cypres may be a lot of things, but it's not a toy.

How do you play with it?

[phoenixlpr 0]

Skydiving is not like driving and a gear is not like a car.....

Cypres or Vigil might the last chance before bounce.

[adamsr 0]

It's what's known as an analogy!!

of course i know skydiving isn't like driving, and i know my rig looks a lot different from my car!!

but my point stands, Cypres is an additional safety device, no more. I have a cypres, I think they are a great device, but I would jump without one.

I just get the impression that some people rely on their cypresand forget the basics of skydiving.... Pull, and pull on altitude. There are the horror stories of people that have conciously done nothing and waited for their cypres to pull for them, and this isn't a great idea in my opinion!

[kallend 2,027]

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It's what's known as an analogy!!

of course i know skydiving isn't like driving, and i know my rig looks a lot different from my car!!

but my point stands, Cypres is an additional safety device, no more. I have a cypres, I think they are a great device, but I would jump without one.

I just get the impression that some people rely on their cypresand forget the basics of skydiving.... Pull, and pull on altitude. There are the horror stories of people that have conciously done nothing and waited for their cypres to pull for them, and this isn't a great idea in my opinion!

I suppose the people who did nothing and bounced in the old days don't count in your calculus. I already gave the numbers.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,027]

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The single most important task in skydiving is saving your life.

EXACTLY!!!!!, not having your life saved by a toy.

Your new jumpers are being saved by a toy, not saving themselves.

The SAFEST skydiver is one that trains and practices. He avoids dangerous situations and THEN adds an AAD.

You seem to advocate doing more dangerous stuff since you bought a cool toy. That is not safe.


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Can you point to a single post where I've written that?

It may come as a surprise to you, but I have actually managed to deploy my own canopy on every one of my jumps. Isn't that amazing!

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[phoenixlpr 0]

If you want to have your analogy: AAD ~ Airbag.

[adamsr 0]

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I suppose the people who did nothing and bounced in the old days don't count in your calculus. I already gave the numbers.

I'm not saying that, I'm saying the cypres is to beseen as an extra safety device and not to be relyed on.
In my opinion the only time a cypres should fire is if the skydiver is knocked out, or incapacitated in some way so that he/she cannot pull. There are too many cases of people just not pulling or deciding to wait for the cypres to fire, and i hate to think that there are skydivers out there that think "it's ok if i lose altitude awareness or dont do anything, coz my cypres will save me" that's the wrong attitude to have.

Personally if i had an RSL i'd ALWAYS pull silver as well, it's the same kind of situation, these devices can help reduce the risk, but it doesn't mean we as skydivers can neglect the basic principles of trying to save our own asses!

[kallend 2,027]

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I suppose the people who did nothing and bounced in the old days don't count in your calculus. I already gave the numbers.

I'm not saying that, I'm saying the cypres is to beseen as an extra safety device and not to be relyed on.
In my opinion the only time a cypres should fire is if the skydiver is knocked out, or incapacitated in some way so that he/she cannot pull. There are too many cases of people just not pulling or deciding to wait for the cypres to fire, and i hate to think that there are skydivers out there that think "it's ok if i lose altitude awareness or dont do anything, coz my cypres will save me" that's the wrong attitude to have.

Personally if i had an RSL i'd ALWAYS pull silver as well, it's the same kind of situation, these devices can help reduce the risk, but it doesn't mean we as skydivers can neglect the basic principles of trying to save our own asses!

The numbers speak for themselves. No/low pull fatalities were the leading cause of death for skydivers in the pre-CYPRES days.

There are lots of now dead skydivers who had a great deal more experience than you, who for one reason or another didn't pull. I bet every one of them believed, like you, without any shadow of doubt that they would save their own ass. They were wrong and they paid with their lives. On the whole, I'd bet if they could do it over they would rather pay for a new cutter and a reserve repack.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[adamsr 0]

And i'd rather pay for the new cutter and reserve pack too, I think the cypres is a brilliant device, which has undoubtedly saved a lot of lives.

I jump with one, and always want to jump with one, but I always jump thinking that I haven't got a cypres.

[Zoter 0]

I'm happy to jump without an AAD if I am on my own.....if I smacked the Aircraft on the way out/had a stroke on the way down, omething that made me unconcious/unable to pull .......I'll consider that fate and my time, and I have already dealt with that demon.
I would not be happy to jump in close proximity with others without all those involved (including me) having a Cypres.
If shit happens ,they get knocked unconcious and go in...I dont want that in my head...simple and as brutal as that.

I dont think having a cypres should be reflective of how 'confident' some people feel in their abilities not to need one.
Anything can happen.....probably will at some point....and well for gods sake...it cant hurt to have one....stump it up..shell out..get one and then forget about it for 4 years