The biker guy doesn’t get it…….

[shah269 0]

The biker guy doesn’t get it…….

What does a jump suit do?
I mean other than help one look extra fine for the ladies?
I understand what a wing suit does.
But I don’t get the jump suit thing?

Thanks!
And sorry about the dumb question.

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[jtnesbitt 0]

Different suits do different things, thats why there are so many, but ultimately they provide protection from the elements, help with freefall speed control/stability, and offer something to grip besides clothing.

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[shah269 0]

Oh ok thank you!
Greatly appreciated! Can't see all that stuff from the pictures in the classifieds.

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The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[hookitt 1]

Here is a very simplified break down.

Suits are protection based, and performance based.

Protection:
-You can slide on them and not get your clothes dirty. (think light textile... no armor)
- Your handles will not be covered up by an untucked shirt.

Performance
- Fall rate control
----* Tight to go faster (Less wind resistant)
----* Tight for precision control
-Loose for more drag, (range to go slower if needed or if you're heavy )

Booties, precision turns

Grippers = handles to grab while doing formation skydiving.




There is more to it but that's the readers digest condensed version.

Hope that helps.

My grammar sometimes resembles that of magnetic refrigerator poetry... Ghetto

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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The biker guy doesn’t get it…….

What does a jump suit do?

Skydiving is somewhat like sex, which can be fun by yourself but is much more enjoyable with other people.

To skydive with other people, you need to have overlapping fall rates where you still have enough range of motion. The same neutral fall rate will make your life easier because it will let you focus on building formations instead of trying to fall at the same speed, especially before you've spent tens of thousands on jump tickets and tunnel time. Assuming people are built about the same, mass is a cubic function of size while cross sectional area is merely a square function so cross-sectional density and therefore terminal velocity increase with size.

So if you're a big person you need more drag (baggy heavy cotton) and if you're a tiny one you need less (skin-tight slick suits) .

Having handles to hang on to also helps with the process. Especially if you don't want some one pulling out a handful of leg hair.

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I mean other than help one look extra fine for the ladies?

Looking good is why our suits are color coordinated and not just black (doesn't show dirt too much, but it's hot in the sun) or white (you better be good at landing)

[BrianM 1]

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Performance
- Fall rate control
----* Tight to go faster (Less wind resistant)
----* Tight for precision control
-Loose for more drag, (range to go slower if needed or if you're heavy )

Also different types of fabric to go faster or slower.

"It's amazing what you can learn while you're not talking." - Skydivesg

[GLIDEANGLE 1]

The previous poster is right on target.

Jumpsuits protect us from tearing up other clothes or skin from contact with metal in the aircraft, or from a lously landing on the ground. (Yes, I have torn up skin in the aircraft and on the ground when I didn't wear a jumpsuit.)

Just keeping other clothes clean is a good thing too if landing in muddy conditions.

Regulation of fall rate is a HUGE issue. It is damn difficult to play with others if your fall rate is much faster or slower than theirs. The reason petite grils wear tight jumpsuits is not to show off their butts... it is to let them fall faster. The reason that big jumpers wear floppy suits is not to hide the extra calories... it is to slow their fall rate.

Sometimes a jumpsuit is safer than regular clothes... an exposed belt buckle can be a snag hazard. For freefliers... loose shirts can slip up and cover emergency handles.

Of course, the pros and advanced amateurs can use their jumpsuits to advertise for their various sponsors.

In FS (RW) having very dark jumpsuits and white gloves is not a fashion statement.... it makes it easier for the judges to score the video.

All that said... for Hop & Pops I usually don't wear a jumpsuit. I am wary however of the above issues and plan accordingly (remove belt buckle, tuck shirt into pants or leg straps, etc).

The choices we make have consequences, for us & for others!

[skybill 22]

Hi "269,"
Here's the deal. Make a bunch of jumps with various suits. then go up and make a naked skydive with just rig,shoes and hat. Do this with several other jumpers, hopefully the dive is "co-ed." The lack of drag producing material on your body will enlighten you!

SCR-2034, SCS-680

III%,
Deli-out

[Pokerstar 0]

+1 on the protection!

First landing on my new canopy (Spectre2) I flare and all of a sudden I am on my ass sliding. Coming to a graceful stop on the gravel road. Had it not been for the reinforced butt of the student suit, my ass would have been grass gravel.

Fortunately, I'm adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug, uh, regimen to keep my mind, you know, uh, limber.
--- The Dude ---

[shah269 0]

The suit can slow you down!?
By how many mph?

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[Amazon 7]

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The suit can slow you down!?
By how many mph?

Depends on the suit.. I have an old Brand X Wing wars suit from the 1970's that I can get big in. and fly with the tiny little floaty butts.... and fall at like 105 mph......If I pull all of it in I can do tandem videos of a couple guys with a combined weight of 500 pounds doing about 145 according to my pro track

[shah269 0]

WOW so a suit can cut 45mph off your speed!
That's amazing!

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[firstime 0]

don't want some one pulling out a handful of leg hair

that is freaking funny...LMAO

[popsjumper 2]

Note that all the above applies to all suits excepting birthday suits.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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The suit can slow you down!?
By how many mph?

Depends how big you are. 40 MPH isn't out of line at the big end of the spectrum and can determine whether you jump by yourself or with other people. Dressing for success can bring together people like "Big" Benny (we can freefly with him at 150+ MPH when he is on his belly doesn't wear a slow jump suit) and size 0 women who would ordinarily fall at 105 MPH on empty stomachs.

[Amazon 7]

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The suit can slow you down!?
By how many mph?

Depends how big you are. 40 MPH isn't out of line at the big end of the spectrum and can determine whether you jump by yourself or with other people. Dressing for success can bring together people like "Big" Benny (we can freefly with him at 150+ MPH when he is on his belly doesn't wear a slow jump suit) and size 0 women who would ordinarily fall at 105 MPH on empty stomachs.

Aka Floatybutts


Big people like Benny... AKA Anvils

[shah269 0]

So a 180lb 5'8" guy like me could take 40mph off his free fall speed?
That is just amazing!

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[Amazon 7]

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So a 180lb 5'8" guy like me could take 40mph off his free fall speed?
That is just amazing!

Its called dressing for success... yeah... I would say you will have a fall rate in the Anvil category.

It all depends on surface area and drag in freefall..AND your experience.. I am pretty tall so when I make the big suit catch as much air as possible....I have a pretty large wingspan. Your milage mayvary... but I will give odds that your fall rate will be in the 130 to 135mph range.

[shah269 0]

My free fall rate on the three tandems averaged about 120.
But I'm sure the drogue shoot did a good job slowing us down.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[Amazon 7]

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My free fall rate on the three tandems averaged about 120.
But I'm sure the drogue shoot did a good job slowing us down.

Tandems are a whole nother animal.

Your body position will have a lot to do with it.. but you will want to get a jumpsuit that has a canvas material with more drag... and some wings... that will slow you down. Next as ytou progress you will need to figure out if you will be flying on your belly.. or delving into the world of Free Flailing.


When you start AFF and progress you will begin to figure out what the fall rate is.

I know they are not cheap.. but you might want to get a Pro Track Audible Altimeter... IF you really want to continue on. It will tell you what your fall rate is on everry dive.. PLUS you can set it to beep at given altitudes.

Not something you HAVE to have.. but I use mine a lot.. as well as having my regular wrist mount analog on my hand.

[kelpdiver 2]

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My free fall rate on the three tandems averaged about 120.
But I'm sure the drogue shoot did a good job slowing us down.

the drouge does, because you have two people (you and the TM) with basically the surface area of one. Terminal would be much higher than 120 without it.

The wingsuit (birdmen) are the other extreme, falling vertically at closer to 50-60mph.

Well, nevermind opening your parachute immediately on exit. That really slows down the vertical speed!

[piisfish 140]

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Note that all the above applies to all suits excepting birthday suits.

birthday suits are SLOW. Slower than nylon. Specially when you have slack and hairs

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[skyjumpenfool 2]

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Note that all the above applies to all suits excepting birthday suits.

Sorry Pops... I've got to totally disagree with you here. I've seen birthday suits with handles, flaps, and one time, I even remember seeing wings!! Nope, it's never pretty....

Birdshit & Fools Productions

"Son, only two things fall from the sky."

[hookitt 1]

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So a 180lb 5'8" guy like me could take 40mph off his free fall speed?
That is just amazing!

It's not that cut and dry.

Don't disregard body position. While I can fly in the low 100's (I don't know how slow exactly with standard non winged gear) I can also go well over 200. (that's head down of course)

A high drag suit will still allow you to fall at a high rate of speed however if you change your body position to allow for the drag to come into play, then your speed will be much slower.

If I'm in a tuck at 150 MPH on my 1000rr and pull the clutch and coast, I slow down right? Do the same thing but sit up to allow the drag of my body to help slow down the bike and it slows you down MUCH faster. Same thing basically.

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[PolluxSJ 0]

So... is there a generally agreed upon fall rate that most people shoot for? And how do we measure it? I'm assuming with something like a pro-track, but is it average miles per hour over the course of a dive, or in feet per second?

I'm 6' and about 240 - 245 out the door with my big student rig so I drop really fast. The last guy that shot video for me had to sit fly to keep up. So I'm looking to correct that soon after I'm licensed... probably before I even buy my first rig.