dldproductions 0 #1 March 19, 2009 Hey guys... I'm an A liscenced jumper with 7 jumps so far... I'm looking around to by my first own gear.. I've putted about 30 jumps on a sabre2 190... I'`m 5'9 - 135 pounds... I'm looking around for 150 sabre 2 or spectre... I'm planning on getting about 15 jumps on a rental sabre2 170 before even thinking of trying the 150... I got an offer for a fairly new stiletto 150 at a good price.. I know it's elliptcal and much more performant. I also saw that for an intermediate jumper, it is reccomended to go for a stiletto 170 (at my size)... Would it be a mistake buying this gear? What do you think? (For the record I've landed on my feet 70 times out of 73, starting front riser straight approach) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #2 March 19, 2009 A stiletto at 1:1 wl at 7 jumps. Short answer. No edit: thought you said only 7 jumps. same answer for 70+ jumps.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #3 March 19, 2009 Quote A stiletto at 1:1 wl at 7 jumps. Short answer. No Long answer Hell noNothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustChuteMeNow 0 #4 March 19, 2009 Somebody is bored and has decided to go trolling for their FIRST post hahahahaha Monkey please don't feed the trolls. Think of how stupid the average person is and realize that statistically half of them are stupider than that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #5 March 19, 2009 Come on, every once in a while they need food. It was just my turn to have some fun being the nasty old fart.50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustChuteMeNow 0 #6 March 19, 2009 Well I guess in retrospect he probably did look hungry him being starved for attention and all. I'll try and be more compassionate to trolls in the future.Think of how stupid the average person is and realize that statistically half of them are stupider than that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monkycndo 0 #7 March 19, 2009 At 5'9", and a buck35, he needs to eat. 50 donations so far. Give it a try. You know you want to spank it Jump an Infinity Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #8 March 19, 2009 Ok people read the post; clearly he meant 70 jumps not 7. Olivier, You definitely should not buy a Stiletto at your experience level. Good canopy pilots are those who take a canopy and relly learn how to fly it. A Sabre 2 or Pilot or Saphire 2 will chalange you for at least a couple of hundred jumps. If you buy a canopy that challenges you just to fly it conservatively, then that is all you will be able to do. You are going to screw up! Everybody does. It is much better to screw up on a canopy that you are skilled on rather than one that you are at the edge of your ability on every jump. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davelepka 4 #9 March 19, 2009 The Stiletto 150 is a bad choice for a jumper in your position. Being 135 lbs. puts you a few notches lower than the 'average' weight for a male jumper. Because of this, some of the 'rules' people use to select canopies don't apply to you. The problem is that as canopies get smaller, they speed up more than the increase in WL would suggest. A 190 loaded at 1.1 will respond to input much slower than a 150 aslo loaded at 1.1. For this reason, it's generally accepted that any canopy 150 or smaller is considered high performance. I'm sure you would agree that a high performance canopy would be a bad choice for a jumper with under 100 jumps. Additionally, the Stiletto is one of the fastest turning canopies ever made. The ability to turn fast, and respond to input quickly are what will get you into trouble flying a Stiletto. A very small mistake on your part will result in the canopy making some big changes to direction and speed. Not a good thing anywhere near the ground. Anyone who does not recognize that a 150, or a Stiletto are not good choices for a guy with under 100 jumps is not somebody you should be looking to for guidance or buying gear from. You would be well served with a 170 Sabre2, Pilot or Safire2. Those canopies were designed for jumpers at your experience level, and even with a lighter loading, the 170 will offer plenty of performance. Keep in mind that accidents under open canopies are the number one cause of death among skydivers. Canopy selection is not an area to take lightly. You will count on your canopy to save your life every time you jump, and having the correct tool for the job will better your chances at walking away from your landings every time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chubba 0 #10 March 19, 2009 I'm around the same weight, I enjoy flying my Sabre2 170. You can really fly the hell out of it, but at the light loading it can remain reasonably docile if you fly it conservatively. Good fun landing in no wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halorob 0 #11 March 19, 2009 Go small or go home as the saying goes. Or is it big? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baksteen 84 #12 March 19, 2009 I've said this before, but also for the record: A landing on your feet isn't necessarily a 'good' landing. Secondly, as to the stiletto - in the Netherlands you'd need more than 400 jumps to get a stiletto of ANY size. Thirdly, do not judge your progression by what is right for others - take your time and you'll be fine. Perhaps the other guy is ready gfor a stiletto, perhaps someone gave them bad advice - who knows? But even if they ARE ready, that doesn't mean YOU are - and I bet there's some other stuff that you are better at. "That formation-stuff in freefall is just fun and games but with an open parachute it's starting to sound like, you know, an extreme sport." ~mom Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dldproductions 0 #13 March 19, 2009 Thanks guys! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #14 March 19, 2009 Quote I got an offer for a fairly new stiletto 150 at a good price.. If you could put it in your closet and not jump it for another 100 jumps or so. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aresye 0 #15 March 20, 2009 You'll be glad you fly a conservative canopy for awhile. No doubt in my mind if I decided to buy a high performance canopy, I would have either critically injured, or killed myself. Just wait until you do a night jump with a wind shear blowing at 50kts @ 3000ft, and your canopy is flying backwards, away from the airfield, the ground pitch black below you. You WILL be glad to have a conservative canopy! Situations like the above, just happen, and you can either be unprepared for it on a forgiving canopy, or unprepared for it on a canopy that can kill you easier.Skydiving: You either learn from other's mistakes, or they'll learn from yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydude2000 3 #16 March 20, 2009 I think generally speaking, if you have to ask, then the answer is no. Fly safe :)PULL!! or DIE!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FourSideDean 0 #17 March 20, 2009 No. Don't get it... I know I'm not the most experienced jumper here but from my experience I wouldn't jump anything smaller than a 170. I fly a sabre 170 and it does everything I want it to do. I'm safe and I can learn everything I need to with it. I expect to have it for another couple hundred jumps. I can't imagine having more "performance"... Or needing it... I am also about 135 lbs... Be conservative... and live to fly a "high performance" canopy...! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #18 March 20, 2009 You can't just judge him because of jump numbers. If he can jump it then he can jump it and that's that. Give him the damn canopy."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #19 March 20, 2009 Quote You can't just judge him because of jump numbers. If he can jump it then he can jump it and that's that. Give him the damn canopy. I started jumping a Stiletto150 on my 42nd jump.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
d123 3 #20 March 20, 2009 Erratum, it was jump 39 ... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1207938 http://www.dropzone.com/fatalities/Detailed/46.shtmlLock, Dock and Two Smoking Barrelrolls! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #21 March 21, 2009 Quote Quote You can't just judge him because of jump numbers. If he can jump it then he can jump it and that's that. Give him the damn canopy. I started jumping a Stiletto150 on my 42nd jump. PROOF! It's safe and everyone is just a bunch of haters."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #22 March 21, 2009 QuotePROOF! It's safe and everyone is just a bunch of haters. Yup. The fact that shit didn't happen to kallend on his 44th jump completely proves that it's totally safe for any jumper to fly any canopy of any size or shape, regardless of their current ability. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #23 March 21, 2009 QuoteQuotePROOF! It's safe and everyone is just a bunch of haters. Yup. The fact that shit didn't happen to kallend on his 44th jump completely proves that it's totally safe for any jumper to fly any canopy of any size or shape, regardless of their current ability. Just one data point.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #24 March 21, 2009 QuoteErratum, it was jump 39 ... http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1207938 http://www.dropzone.com/fatalities/Detailed/46.shtml You're right. That one was borrowed from Roger Nelson. Then I bought my own.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #25 March 21, 2009 Quote Just one data point On the big bell curve of bounces.Seriously, would you recommend it to others. I started jumping a square (back in the round days) earlier than advised, and got a lot of safety lectures. I listened and lived. I've seen other people killed for no better reason than they just wanted to show off. Are attitude and motivation the big factors? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
