i want to do it all now

[beowulf 1]

Getting in a hurry to learn everything has killed and maimed more then one person. Your odds of living go down the faster you try to push things. There are not very many mistakes you can get away with in skydiving. Sometimes it doesn't even take a mistake to kill or seriously injure you.

[Butters 0]

What size are you and what colors do you like? I'm just trying to determine if I'll want to purchase your gear when you (or your friends, family, etc...) sell it.

Edit: Why do you have to do it all now?

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

[Jazzthieve 0]

This is a funny read, made my day

[MajorDad 0]

From this and other posting's you are making you are well on your way to becoming "That Guy" who people talk about.

Since your ability to take advice seems somewhat limited and you are bound and determined to do what you want anyways since obviously everyone is holding you back, here is some more advice:

1. Don't Die.
2. If you do die, die somewhere else doing something else.
3. Make sure your will is up to date prior to step 2.

The better plan would be to listen to others and stay within your limits, but apparently they do not appeciate the MAD SKILZ you have to be so much betther than everyone else.

BSBD

Major Dad
CSPA D-579

[Gato 0]

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all these things you guys have worked so hard to build up the skill to do safe. i just think pfft how hard can it be.

i find it really hard to slow down cuz i don't want to slow down. but i know i'm on the wrong path!

So you know you're on the wrong path - that's good. Very good. The first step in solving a problem is admitting its existence.

Since you're a motorcycle dude as well, let me throw a question at you: Your best friend/cousin/brother comes to you at age 16 and says he's ready to buy his very first bike, and since his dad will buy him anything he wants, he's decided to go for a GSX-R 1000. What do you do? He's bound and determined to get that ride, and it seems he can't be talked out of it. What do you tell him? What advice AS AN EXPERIENCED RIDER would you give?

Longevity and consequences are rarely part of the thought processes of the average 22 year-old male. I suggest you embrace these concepts now, while you have a chance to do so.

PLEASE, stay safe.

T.I.N.S.

[grimmie 186]

And for years everyone has told me how wonderful the Canadian education system is!

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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i want to do it all i don't care what any one says i want to free fly, fly wing suit, base jump, swoop and ground launch. yea you can tell me i'm going to die but i don't care. i don't mind dying i mind not living.

Most of the people who start swooping and BASE jumping before they have the necessary experience don't die. They just get broken which means not living doing things like sitting on the couch, drinking beer, and watching TV instead of parachuting.

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did you keep going balls to the wall?

Most people who start out like you learn some judgement after a visit to the emergency room and orthopaedic surgeon. I only know one guy who needed two trips to the hospital to learn some sense.

[airathanas 0]

Have you ever heard of the phrase "enjoy the journey?"

Hey MADPROPS, obviously you've never gone to a skydiving funeral. Or taken care for anyone who has broken their leg skydiving. Or seen anyone hurt skydiving.

Here's a news alert: other people care if they get hurt or die. Your attitude will kill someone else as well, and I don't even want to be on the same DROPZONE as you.

Nice knowing ya.

http://3ringnecklace.com/

[kkeenan 14]

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...you can tell me i'm going to die but i don't care.

That makes two of us.

You're just trying to get a rise out of the people here who truly care about your safety. As for me, I couldn't give a shit less whether you bounce.

I'll take one of those bingo numbers, please.

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Dude, you are so awesome...
Can I be on your ash jump ?

[Fast 0]

If you're hell bent on rushing through things and being "that guy" who is the asshole. Don't come to my DZ. Also, don't take anyone with you, I value the lives of my friends.

GL with that attitude. FWIW, if you came on here posting this shit and were a jumper at MY dropzone, you would be looking for a new one or at the very least getting a swift kick in the ass and some education.

Part of my bet is that you're just trolling.

~D
Where troubles melt like lemon drops Away above the chimney tops That's where you'll find me.
Swooping is taking one last poke at the bear before escaping it's cave - davelepka

[MADPROPS 0]

nope not a troll

and my dz is great

i asked them about a smaller chute and they said yea get one but you won't be jumping it here if you do.

my coaches are good and they care


and I'm not a cowboy in the air i have a jump plan and i stick to it

i have a landing plan and i stick to that

i don't mind get hurt but i would never do something that would hurt some one else!!!!

my dzo and coaches have done a great job so far.
its not so much stuff when i'm at the dz its the stuff i do out side the dz that i think might turn out bad.

when ever i ask some how to do something they say "i don't want any part of it"
well if i'm going to do it any way how has that a help to me at all?
i know its your right to help or not. guess i just wish more people would just help but i don't think thats going to happen

as for most of you who posted thanks has been a great head check

as for the people who have sent me a pm you have been a great help keep them coming ... i won't out you

(I'm not trying to piss any one off or step on anyones toes. i do listen to people when they tell me to do something i just don't when they tell me to do nothing)

live and let live

[kefran 0]

may i ask where you're from in Canada (DZ speaking ...) ?

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I never used 2 rocks to start a fire ... this is called evolution !

[catfishhunter 2]

LOL I get it and I actually think you get it to. Your delivery sucked but reading between the lines and your other posts you are going about it kinda the right way.

You plan on making 150-200 jumps this year right? Well if your planning on wingsuits and basejumps make 1/2-3/4 of those jumps tracking jumps.A good track is a life saving skill no matter what your doing


As for base jumps lots of folks only made enough skydives to learn canopy control for base jumping and lots of those folks are still alive so as long as you get a good mentor to work with you on basejumps go for it.

Freeflying hell as long as your alone in the sky do whatever you want until pull time. If you plan to jump with others though get a coach and jump jump jump.

Leave the swooping alone for awhile though. You won't be able to do the other stuff in a body cast. (You can Base Jump if you can't walk though. Seeing Pictures and Video)

So hell I say go for it do it all if your bank account can afford it just don't be selfish and fuck up everyone elses fun by bouncing.

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[steveorino 7]

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the thing is people always try and use death to scare me but i have been on a motorcycle since i was 16.

You are over 16??? Could've fooled me!

I agree with Billvon. I hope you get the less costly lesson. Here is a quote from my favorite AFFIE, Michael Wadkins, "Be safe! Be a mentor!"

steveOrino

[redlegphi 0]

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Freeflying hell as long as your alone in the sky do whatever you want until pull time. If you plan to jump with others though get a coach and jump jump jump.

Given the tendency of some beginner freeflyers to slide all over the sky until they get their form down, I'd suggest that he get a coach when he's learning to freefly, even if he's doing it "alone".

[punkd 0]

dude, just get a velocity .. preferably something sub 100 and remember flaring is a sign of weakness.

[Chris-Ottawa 0]

Oh PS..."Front risers" are the new "toggles"

All the cool kids are doing it. Oh, and the Velocity...Fantastic idea. I heard they open great.

Hey man,
Have you ever considered that your instructors peruse these forums and see the sh*t that you posted and realize that YOU are a danger to THEM? Have you considered that someone may contact your home DZ, (since it is posted in your profile after all) and let them know about your gross disrespect to your and/or anyone else on your load's safety? What if they said, we don't want you jumping here anymore if you don't give a fu*k?

Think about what you're doing. Slow down...

"When once you have tasted flight..."

[MADPROPS 0]

thanks man! sorry i'm not the best a writing i'm much better at talking

and yea i have a plan.

i work i job that i hate but it pays well so i can try and jump all winter

and by next year i'm planing to have 300 jumps

live and let live

[MADPROPS 0]

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Oh PS..."Front risers" are the new "toggles"

All the cool kids are doing it. Oh, and the Velocity...Fantastic idea. I heard they open great.

Hey man,
Have you ever considered that your instructors peruse these forums and see the sh*t that you posted and realize that YOU are a danger to THEM? Have you considered that someone may contact your home DZ, (since it is posted in your profile after all) and let them know about your gross disrespect to your and/or anyone else on your load's safety? What if they said, we don't want you jumping here anymore if you don't give a fu*k?

Think about what you're doing. Slow down...

you should really read what i post b4 posting

i have a jump plan b4 i jump.

i ask every oe what they are doing b4 and when we are in the plane.

i do my thing and pull then look around to see where they other guys/girls are.

i work on what i need to work on after i know where the other chutes are.

then i land taking left hand turns into the wind.

what about that is not safe ???

well i guess i could hit a bird in free fall... man i never thought i that ill shape up asap!

ps there are no birdmen at my dz

live and let live

[GaryRay 0]

1 thing that i see that is unsafe is that you are very structured, what happens if you can't make that left hand turn, what is your out-option? what if you can't see that 1 canopy at 1500'? what if you are dealing with an emergency and you can't land downwind? everything in skydiving is a "what-if" and you can't plan for it all, a lot of times you need to be able to think on your feet and to do that you need to have experience, experience comes from doing something a lot without jumping ahead to other aspects of it. by no means am i experienced at 130 jumps, but i do know enough to kill myself, and i do know enough to keep myself alive. i think you will eventually be alright in skydiving, and eventually a very safe skydiver, but from your original statement which is the important one because that is what you were thinking at the time and that is the message you wanted to convey to the masses, i don't want to be around you in the air. just keep that in mind. and welcome to DZ.com, you asked and we told. stay safe and Blue Skies.

JewBag.
www.jewbag.wordpress.com

[cocheese 0]

What advice would you give to a friend in your situation?

[billvon 2,989]

>i do my thing and pull then look around to see where they other guys/girls are.

It's a little late at that stage. Sorta like "so I drive at 60mph through an intersection, then look to see where the other cars are. What about that isn't safe?" You have to know where people are before you open.

>then i land taking left hand turns into the wind.

I sure hope you land per the set pattern, not just by turning left all the time.

>what about that is not safe?

You're at the stage where you don't even know enough to know whether you're being unsafe or not. And if you do only what you have described in this post - you're endangering other people.

[MADPROPS 0]

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>i do my thing and pull then look around to see where they other guys/girls are.

It's a little late at that stage. Sorta like "so I drive at 60mph through an intersection, then look to see where the other cars are. What about that isn't safe?" You have to know where people are before you open.

>then i land taking left hand turns into the wind.

I sure hope you land per the set pattern, not just by turning left all the time.

>what about that is not safe?

You're at the stage where you don't even know enough to know whether you're being unsafe or not. And if you do only what you have described in this post - you're endangering other people.

well at my dz the landing pattern is left hand turns

and i do look around in the air and i wave off and what not. my dz is small just 1 c206 that just 6 jumps in the air at a time. i know one is all you need to kill you and that other person. i do just about all i can do and all i have been told to do.

when i get to a bigger dz the first thing ill do is talkto a coach and see what i need to change to be safe at that dz

live and let live

[Chris-Ottawa 0]

Hey man,

Ok, I think someone said it best when they said "You don't know enough to know that you're endangering others".

You should really hear some of these people out, and I'll tell you why...2 years ago...I WAS YOU. Check my previous posts. Rapid downsizing, Wingsuiting, ground launching, reading all about it, being safe, structured etc... I wanted to "Do it all". Sound familiar? I'm not joking even in the slightest (Minus the fact that I didn't have quite the same carefree attitude as you do).

You probably haven't realized yet just how small and interconnected the skydiving community is, especially in Canada. After my post, I recieved a PM stating that this person had already spoken to key people at your DZ. Turns out you ARE already on their radar... Got you thinking now? Again, no bullshitting here man...do you knwo why? Because the SAME THING was done for me. It made me realize just what I was doing, and I took a step back. I thought, wow, "Why AM I rushing?". Honestly, I didn't have a answer for myself.

Dude, seriously, take a step back and read your first post. It sounds like something a 20 something year old guy would write about something that he has no idea what he'sgetting into. Can you guess how I know that.... Work your way through the sport, have fun, build your experience/knowledge, make goals, reach them, make friends, stick around for a while.

If you think I'm joking about this, shoot me a PM and I'll send you my phone number and we can chat.

I've adopted a whole different approach to skydiving now that I have the basic level of experience to know what's going on around me.

Do I make sense?

"When once you have tasted flight..."

[danielcroft 2]

If you displayed the same attitude about riding I'd never ride with you. I've been riding for 4 years and ride pretty quick (can get my knee down when I feel like it even though that's considered by most to be dangerous - I see it as skill that can be used in an emergency) but wouldn't ride with someone that's unsafe or doesn't consider death or injury a problem. Riding taught me about mitigating risk and leaning my limits. Being strong enough to stop when either I don't feel something is safe or being told something is not safe by people who know. Would you want your friends to go out & buy a new liter bike & then try to keep up with you in the twisties? It's a recipe for disaster that's been repeated time and again.

Obviously I've never seen you fly and maybe you really are careful, I honestly hope that's the case. But your frenetic and near manic posts really smack of someone that's not thinking clearly about even the things they're typing let alone what they're doing.

My own personal experience with skydiving has been (very limited so far!) that I was landing my student canopies well and always had standup landings. From jump 6 (or 7?) I stood up every landing, including an off and landing my reserve after a cutaway. I had decided to downsize to a 170 relatively quickly (it'd put me at a ~1.09 WL) after I got my license. A friend loaned me a container & another friend loaned me a Spectre 190. First landing was good second was crap. Every other landing was basically shitty. Each weekend I went out & didn't land well and in control (not just luck) I put off downsizing. Some people had told me that I shouldn't anyway but some of my more experienced friends said it'd probably be ok. I decided that I wasn't ready. I'm trying out a Sabre 2 190 this weekend but I *know* the minimum that I have to do to be safe on the new canopy. I *know* it takes time to learn *any* new canopy, not just a smaller canopy. I put myself into line twists under the student 200 because I *didn't know* these things (or didn't listen ). Do that under a smaller canopy and you're not giving yourself a chance to fail gracefully and actually learn from your mistakes. So my experience (limited as it may be) agrees with what BillVon was saying, it took some harder landings (obviously not that hard and not in the realms of what he was talking about) for me to realize that I didn't know what I was doing and then learn from them. Since then, I've had some of my best landings ever and I'm learning about my canopy still, it's great fun. When you choose to do very extreme things with limited experience, you're setting yourself up for failure unless you're lucky. Luck plays a part in a lot of things but it doesn't help you learn IMO.

I hope you're safe and I hope you don't pose a threat to other people because it'd be really shitty to read another incident thread with more than one name in it.