diablopilot 2 #26 February 16, 2009 Quote Skydiving and stunts are not the same thing. Are you suggesting that these people should not be allowed to perform these stunts? I believe the FAA suggests that. Quote Title 14: Aeronautics and Space PART 105—PARACHUTE OPERATIONS Subpart C—Parachute Equipment and Packing Browse Previous | Browse Next § 105.43 Use of single-harness, dual-parachute systems. No person may conduct a parachute operation using a single-harness, dual-parachute system, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow any person to conduct a parachute operation from that aircraft using a single-harness, dual-parachute system, unless that system has at least one main parachute, one approved reserve parachute, and one approved single person harness and container that are packed as follows: (a) The main parachute must have been packed within 180 days before the date of its use by a certificated parachute rigger, the person making the next jump with that parachute, or a non-certificated person under the direct supervision of a certificated parachute rigger. (b) The reserve parachute must have been packed by a certificated parachute rigger— (1) Within 180 days before the date of its use, if its canopy, shroud, and harness are composed exclusively of nylon, rayon, or similar synthetic fiber or material that is substantially resistant to damage from mold, mildew, and other fungi, and other rotting agents propagated in a moist environment; or (2) Within 60 days before the date of its use, if it is composed of any amount of silk, pongee, or other natural fiber, or material not specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section. (c) If installed, the automatic activation device must be maintained in accordance with manufacturer instructions for that automatic activation device. [Doc. No. FAA–1999–5483, 66 FR 23553, May 9, 2001, as amended by Amdt. 105–13, 73 FR 69531, Nov. 19, 2008] I'm having trouble finding the FAR section that allows "stunts".---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tombuch 0 #27 February 16, 2009 I thought it was pretty sweet, and a fun promotion for our sport. Keep in mind it did not happen at any official drop zone, and was clearly a stunt. The low pulls didn't appear to be that low, and heck, low pull contests have been around forever. I don't think any of those jumps would have beat my historical lows, and certainly they wouldn't have touched a naked low pull that earned me my only official grounding. The cut-a-way's above water were a much bigger deal, and I hope that doesn't catch on, but even there, boys will be boys and it was a stunt. Oh, and the 'fun with helicopters' component was terrific.Tom Buchanan Instructor Emeritus Comm Pilot MSEL,G Author: JUMP! Skydiving Made Fun and Easy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #28 February 16, 2009 Quote Quote Skydiving and stunts are not the same thing. Are you suggesting that these people should not be allowed to perform these stunts? I believe the FAA suggests that. Quote Title 14: Aeronautics and Space PART 105—PARACHUTE OPERATIONS Subpart C—Parachute Equipment and Packing Browse Previous | Browse Next § 105.43 Use of single-harness, dual-parachute systems. No person may conduct a parachute operation using a single-harness, dual-parachute system, and no pilot in command of an aircraft may allow any person to conduct a parachute operation from that aircraft using a single-harness, dual-parachute system, unless that system has at least one main parachute, one approved reserve parachute, and one approved single person harness and container that are packed as follows: (a) The main parachute must have been packed within 180 days before the date of its use by a certificated parachute rigger, the person making the next jump with that parachute, or a non-certificated person under the direct supervision of a certificated parachute rigger. (b) The reserve parachute must have been packed by a certificated parachute rigger— (1) Within 180 days before the date of its use, if its canopy, shroud, and harness are composed exclusively of nylon, rayon, or similar synthetic fiber or material that is substantially resistant to damage from mold, mildew, and other fungi, and other rotting agents propagated in a moist environment; or (2) Within 60 days before the date of its use, if it is composed of any amount of silk, pongee, or other natural fiber, or material not specified in paragraph (b)(1) of this section. (c) If installed, the automatic activation device must be maintained in accordance with manufacturer instructions for that automatic activation device. [Doc. No. FAA–1999–5483, 66 FR 23553, May 9, 2001, as amended by Amdt. 105–13, 73 FR 69531, Nov. 19, 2008] I'm having trouble finding the FAR section that allows "stunts". You are correct. I am glad my government does not meddle in my affairs in this particular form. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #29 February 16, 2009 >I'm having trouble finding the FAR section that allows "stunts" Heck, I'm having trouble finding the FAR section that allows freeflying! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #30 February 16, 2009 Show me where freeflying is prohibited specifically by the FARs. ---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtnesbitt 0 #31 February 16, 2009 I really dont have a problem with the video. One of the intentially cutaways looked kind of high and the landing area (in people's backyards) looked sketchy for sure but those companants aside they were just having some off DZ fun. You can't say "people will see this and try to duplicate it" because thats crap. We have TV shows on damn near anything and if people want to do something they see on TV they can and will. I know i'm gonna get flamed for this but if someone approached you and said "Hey, we're gonna provide you with a helicopter for the day AND pay you to do whatever you want including all the "crazy" stuff that you're not allowed to do at the DZ, the only catch is we get to put the footage in TV." What would you say? Its not like the producers put them up to it. Look at what they did: low pull contest, intentional cutaways? Do you think a whuffo producer came up with those ideas or a skydiver?"If this post needs to be moderated I would prefer it to be completly removed and not edited and butchered into a disney movie" - DorkZone Hero Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #32 February 16, 2009 >Show me where freeflying is prohibited specifically by the FARs Exactly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #33 February 16, 2009 QuoteWhat would you say? I'd say "Sounds like fun, but I won't be violating any FARs or BSRs as I have pleged not to by being a member of the USPA." (And I have a PPL to protect as well.)---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #34 February 16, 2009 I'm having trouble understanding where you were going with your post then. Some of the activities in the MTV video were specifically prohibited by the FARs. Where does freeflying come into play?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #35 February 16, 2009 So I take it you've never seen the "MTV Flare Gun Jump" ?? Quote You do make a good point, but I still don't agree with promoting it. In skydiving you have little time to react. Any major mal and you're done. Are you speaking from experience or is this something an instructor told you. Quote What I saw that I didn't like were the cutaways above the water. Those looked disturbingly high, and have killed a number of jumpers over the year. It's tricky to judge your altitude over water, and looks benign enough that some impressionable noobs might want to try that. Quote The cut-a-way's above water were a much bigger deal, and I hope that doesn't catch on, Too Late. They're called McCutaways and people have been doing them for years. Quote Flying inflatable rafts, I haven't seen the videos in question. But inflatable jumps happen at big boogies on a regular basis. Then stuff happens with the rafts and animals afterhours that you don't even want to know about. "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #36 February 16, 2009 >Some of the activities in the MTV video were specifically prohibited by the FARs. Like what? Freeflying is "illegal" in that it violates the TSO under which the rig/reserve was certified, depending on which TSO the rig was built to. But no one pays much heed to their rigs maximum deployment speed when going head down with an AAD, because it's pretty common and causes problems only rarely. >I'd say "Sounds like fun, but I won't be violating any FARs or BSRs as I have >pleged not to by being a member of the USPA." I'd say "let's go to Mexico or Australia and do it!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #37 February 16, 2009 Quote Freeflying is "illegal" in that it violates the TSO under which the rig/reserve was certified, depending on which TSO the rig was built to. But no one pays much heed to their rigs maximum deployment speed when going head down with an AAD, because it's pretty common and causes problems only rarely. TSO's on parachute gear stipulate maximum opening speed. They in no way restrict the speed jumpers are allowed to travel before they use the parachute. Violations only occur on premature deployments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #38 February 16, 2009 Specifically 4 selfish individuals make a total of ten exits from an FAA registered aircraft apparently flying within FAA jurisdiction, and assumably with an FAA commercial rated pilot without complying with Title 14 Part 105 Subpart C 105.43. That's the item I listed above. The sad thing is the only person that the FAA would probably target is the pilot of the helicopter.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #39 February 16, 2009 Quote>Some of the activities in the MTV video were specifically prohibited by the FARs. Like what? Freeflying is "illegal" in that it violates the TSO under which the rig/reserve was certified, depending on which TSO the rig was built to. But no one pays much heed to their rigs maximum deployment speed when going head down with an AAD, because it's pretty common and causes problems only rarely. See Andrew's reply above. It's what I was going to say. Quote >I'd say "Sounds like fun, but I won't be violating any FARs or BSRs as I have >pleged not to by being a member of the USPA." I'd say "let's go to Mexico or Australia and do it!" If only these guys (and girl) were smart enough to have done so, or simply asked the local FSDO for a waiver, we wouldn't be talking about this.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #40 February 16, 2009 >Violations only occur on premature deployments. Hence the "illegal" in quotes. Since we know that AAD's sometimes cause premature deployment, and are in fact designed to open the rig if the jumper is traveling at freefall speeds at firing altitudes, then it is reasonable to assume that AAD's will sometimes open the reserve at freefly speeds. (This has, in fact, happened.) It's like overloading a reserve and then claiming "well, since I don't plan on using it, it doesn't matter that it's overloaded." But like I said no one worries about that too much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #41 February 16, 2009 Ah, I see. You were talking about the lack of a reserve rather than the low pull issue. I agree, a waiver/foreign country would have been a better choice there. (Or a BASEr, which is probably easier.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #42 February 16, 2009 Quote...they all put themselves in harms way by doing stupid stunts... But for perspective, they also have a show called "Scarred", which shows what often happens to people who do stupid stunts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Titanman2789 0 #43 February 16, 2009 Did I see this show wrong? or were all their jumps with base rigs? Watch it closely. One of the canopies you can clearly see that it's a FOX base canopy. And the openings were extremely low!...maybe not for base jumps but from exiting an aircraft? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #44 February 16, 2009 QuoteAh, I see. You were talking about the lack of a reserve rather than the low pull issue. I agree, a waiver/foreign country would have been a better choice there. (Or a BASEr, which is probably easier.) With the coin dropped (pun intended) on this production, any of those three options seems to not be a challenge at all.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #45 February 17, 2009 Quote I'm having trouble finding the FAR section that allows "stunts". I can't find an FAR that prohibits "stunts."Show me where the FAR's tell us what altitude to open at, or even to open at all. Also show me where the FAA cares how high we cutaway over water. It ain't there, man. Big Brother doesn't really care if you bounce. Just don't hit a taxpayer while you do it. And I'm really glad it is that way. Can you imagine if every low pull or AAD fire required an FAA investigation? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #46 February 17, 2009 >Show me where the FAR's tell us what altitude to open at, or even to open at all. I made that mistake. The problem is not opening altitudes, the problem is that they are jumping non-TSOed BASE gear from a helicopter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #47 February 17, 2009 Quote I made that mistake. The problem is not opening altitudes, the problem is that they are jumping non-TSOed BASE gear from a helicopter. More than one pilot has gotten in trouble for flying base rigs up to skydive. That is a huge violation. Hopefully all pilots flying jumpers know this. I saw a base style canopy, but if I were in a low pull contest I would pack something just like that in my main container. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stitch 0 #48 February 17, 2009 Quote >Show me where the FAR's tell us what altitude to open at, or even to open at all. I made that mistake. The problem is not opening altitudes, the problem is that they are jumping non-TSOed BASE gear from a helicopter. Maybe it's an experimental helicopter. "No cookies for you"- GFD "I don't think I like the sound of that" ~ MB65 Don't be a "Racer Hater" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodhisattva420 0 #49 February 17, 2009 What's with all this TSO business? Convincing Travis Pastrana to wear a rig at all seems like progress! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MarkTL 0 #50 February 17, 2009 show is like jackass with lots of money... very funny. favorite part was when travis did the backflip on the mega ramp on a tricycleLive life with no regrets Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
