Scrumpot 1 #26 January 27, 2009 QuoteI did have my hand almost disabling my reserve to open - because of an RSL, on my 3rd cutaway. Do you have a thread or discussion anywhere of this incident? I do not want to hijack this thread - but I would like see/hear more details about what you describe in this line, if at all possible. Thanks, -Grantcoitus non circum - Moab Stone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
format 1 #27 January 27, 2009 I do not want to hijack this threadQuote I think it belongs into this thread but however "PMd" it.What goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #28 January 27, 2009 >For the life of me I can not understand why anyone would release the >main and not immediately deploy the reserve but it happens. Can't find the reserve handle Can find the reserve handle but can't pull it Incapacitated due to impact with another canopy jumper who feels it is necessary to "fall away from their main" before they open their reserve Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #29 January 27, 2009 Quote For the life of me I can not understand why anyone would release the main and not immediately deploy the reserve but it happens. One of lifes mysteries I guess..... Not really a mystery, A lot of people train themselves to cutaway, get stable, and then pull the reserve. A lot of people have gone in trying to get stable. I have about 10 cutaways, maybe 6-7 with rsl, 3-4 without. No real difference since I arch as I cutaway, then immediately pull the reserve. Some have been spinners, all have been stable reserve deployments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #30 January 27, 2009 Quote For the life of me I can not understand why anyone would release the main and not immediately deploy the reserve but it happens. I had a hard cutaway once. On the third try with both hands on the cutaway handle I got it. I was so relieved do have gotten the job done I forgot to pull my reserve. I cannot tell you how long the delay was until I remembered, maybe 1/4 second, maybe 3 seconds, but I know it was non-zero. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thecount 0 #31 January 27, 2009 No! they get in the way of intentional cutaways Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #32 January 27, 2009 Quote 8 reserve rides and I have never used an RSL. All cutaways, no totals. I have never deployed a reserve below 1000 feet. For the life of me I can not understand why anyone would release the main and not immediately deploy the reserve but it happens. One of life's mysteries I guess..... Turn a quick series and build up a little speed...two skydives for the price of one! I have 14 cut-aways (3 on 'conventional' gear), no totals and also don't RSL...I have on occasion during a demonstration jump purposely fallen below the other jumpers in proximity, prior to deploying a reserve as a safety measure. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #33 January 27, 2009 Quote I do not want to hijack this thread Quote I think it belongs into this thread but however "PMd" it. Post in here. It belongs here since OP was a why or why not question! I personally have 2 skyhook V3's and like them alot. I have not cutaway yet but had a PCIT terminal reserve deployment and the skyhook did not interfear!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dragon2 2 #34 January 27, 2009 Quote interfear I like that one ciel bleu, Saskia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shaark 0 #35 January 28, 2009 >For the life of me I can not understand why anyone would release the main and not immediately deploy the reserve but it happens. >Turn a quick series and build up a little speed...two skydives for the price of one! ____________________________________________ It was a very busy day for me, then had to chop on a video jump. I took an extremely refreshing 7 sec delay just to chill out. Time for a full series, but I wanted to relax. Not humming it either; reserve out above 2,500'. tanstaafl Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lippy 918 #36 January 28, 2009 Quote I have on occasion during a demonstration jump purposely fallen below the other jumpers in proximity, prior to deploying a reserve as a safety measure Safety measure or an excuse to geek the camera once more?I've had two cutaways both without RSL. I've got nothing against them, but I bought my rig used and it came without one. I'm confident that if I can pull the little green handle, I can pull the big silver one after.I got nuthin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joellercoaster 6 #37 January 28, 2009 I have a Skyhook. If I didn't, I'd still jump with an RSL. Other than camera guys, I've never heard a really convincing argument from people without one. Especially from people with 50 jumps saying "they've thought hard about it and made their decision based on the facts". CRW is a different proposition, but other than that small fraction of my jumps, it's always connected.-- "I'll tell you how all skydivers are judged, . They are judged by the laws of physics." - kkeenan "You jump out, pull the string and either live or die. What's there to be good at? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
format 1 #38 February 3, 2009 Quote after 32 hours and 102 votes (only ?) 47% RSL or Skyhook 34% NO RSL exept for students 19% Sometimes yes/no That's it. 172 skydivers voted in 10 days: - 48% voted for RSL or Skyhook - 34% voted against RSL exept for students - 19% sometimes connect it Well, to me, the revealing point is that there is 79216 registered users at DZ.com - 79044 voteless! So much for the poll - nevertheless What goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hudsonderek 0 #39 February 3, 2009 nope, I pull high so I have time, and if, for some reason I had just one of my risers let go and it happened to be the one attached to the RSL I would have my reserve launching into a pile of shit. that is of course if you just have an RSL without a collins lanyard. I'd be interested in a skyhook, but the more complications you add the more complications you have. just one mans opinion Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyBoyd 0 #40 February 3, 2009 This has already been debated in another thread, so I won't be long-winded. I do not use an RSL on my sport rigs. I just don't feel like I need it. When I did tandems, I kept the RSL hooked up. My thinking was that with a student strapped to the front of me possibly kicking and screaming on a cutaway, it was better to get the reserve out immediately. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AFFI 0 #41 February 3, 2009 More here: http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do=search_results&search_forum=all&search_string=RSL&sb=score&mh=25Mykel AFF-I10 Skydiving Priorities: 1) Open Canopy. 2) Land Safely. 3) Don’t hurt anyone. 4) Repeat… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
clustermagnet 0 #42 February 7, 2009 Guys, I am totally new to the sport... 150 jumps or so. RSL is hooked up, and staying that way until I get a sky-hookable rig. I have not seen any incident reports that particularly point to RSL being the cause of the fatality. Am I reading in the wrong place? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
verticalflier 0 #43 February 7, 2009 NO to RSL or SKYHOOK IN MY GEAR!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surfbum5412 0 #44 February 7, 2009 I can think of one recent incident where a jumper had a clean cutaway and was unable to deploy his reserve. RSL for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surfbum5412 0 #45 February 7, 2009 QuoteI have not seen any incident reports that particularly point to RSL being the cause of the fatality. Am I reading in the wrong place? Nope. This is a hot debate and one that has pretty clear choice to me. I remember at 200 jumps I thought I had graduated from having to use an RSL...man I was naive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
surfbum5412 0 #46 February 7, 2009 QuoteQuoteFor the life of me I can not understand why anyone would release the main and not immediately deploy the reserve but it happens. One of life's mysteries I guess..... Not really a mystery...hard pull or unable to locate the deployment handle because the harness shifted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites half-a-greek 0 #47 February 7, 2009 I'm just of student status, RSL, no question about it. The day that fate decides to send me for a hell ride, I'd appreciate any extra help I can get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Bodhisattva420 0 #48 February 10, 2009 Newb question . . . Why would a camera flyer not want to use an RSL? I'm sure it has something to do with cutting away the helmet? Another newb question . . . I've seen a few cutaway videos online where it seems to take the jumper longer to cutaway one of the risers than the other, is that because of an RSL? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites gearless_chris 1 #49 February 10, 2009 Yes, some people argue that you need to be able to cutaway the helmet before deploying the reserve if your main is caught on your helmet. Others argue that if you cutaway with the main attached to your helmet it will break your neck before you can cutaway the helmet. The Non-RSL riser is supposed to release just before the RSL side does. I doubt you would notice it."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites format 1 #50 February 22, 2009 Bill Booth said there's 8000 Skyhooked rigs now, 205 votes here says it's 15% voted for Skyhook. Is there any reliable stats result? Or a pointer at least?What goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 2 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
half-a-greek 0 #47 February 7, 2009 I'm just of student status, RSL, no question about it. The day that fate decides to send me for a hell ride, I'd appreciate any extra help I can get. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bodhisattva420 0 #48 February 10, 2009 Newb question . . . Why would a camera flyer not want to use an RSL? I'm sure it has something to do with cutting away the helmet? Another newb question . . . I've seen a few cutaway videos online where it seems to take the jumper longer to cutaway one of the risers than the other, is that because of an RSL? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #49 February 10, 2009 Yes, some people argue that you need to be able to cutaway the helmet before deploying the reserve if your main is caught on your helmet. Others argue that if you cutaway with the main attached to your helmet it will break your neck before you can cutaway the helmet. The Non-RSL riser is supposed to release just before the RSL side does. I doubt you would notice it."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
format 1 #50 February 22, 2009 Bill Booth said there's 8000 Skyhooked rigs now, 205 votes here says it's 15% voted for Skyhook. Is there any reliable stats result? Or a pointer at least?What goes around, comes later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
