travelingmack 0 #1 February 20, 2009 Any manufactures to show of theire products? we got the Optimum and the Pulse.... We craving for smaller rigs out here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #3 February 21, 2009 Quoteno? yes personally I don't understand what you are asking. Low bulk Pilot Chutes IS ? say what ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
travelingmack 0 #4 February 21, 2009 Sorry..my bad......pilot chute Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #5 February 21, 2009 how much difference will a low bulk pilot chute make ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
travelingmack 0 #6 February 21, 2009 welllll......on a second though.....i guess this belongs more to to the B.A.S.E world where we use PC`s as big as 48" in pouch... But in skydiving...less is more right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #7 February 21, 2009 Think about it. a 15% reduction in packing volume of a canopy is a big deal as the material is the bulk of the volume. in a PC you have the mesh, the load tapes and the bridle w/ kill line (remember you do put a good portion of the bridle into the BOC as well). so really, a 15% reduction in packing bulk of the F111 material will be barely noticeable, if at all. on the subject of BASE PCs... Well, quite a few people prefer ZP PCs, and being that the new material is more F111'ish - makes it a moot point. Personally, I would waita few years and lots of test jumps on new material PCs before I venture trusting one in a single canopy environment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
travelingmack 0 #8 February 21, 2009 The new material is more of a hybrid... and the "new" material has been tested out for years...it`s good...but off course it last a few hundred jump shorter than a large bulk F-111 or 0-P does.. I have a Trango 225(240PIA spec) canopy...and it has the same pack-volume as a 170-190 canopy(normal F-111)....it flew superior and have great flare...so why shouldn`t we transform this material to pilotchutes? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #9 February 21, 2009 Probably for the same reason that I explained earlier. But I don't manufacture any gear - probably a good question to ask the people who do. Ask Stane @ Atair. Or Todd@Apex. overall this topic is slipping, and needs to go on the "other" forum Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
travelingmack 0 #10 February 21, 2009 yeah...well, don`t know about the other forum.....i don`t log into that rat hole anymore.. Both manufactors you mention is in to low-bulk canopies but i haven`t seen any low bulk PC`s...but i guess it`s coming Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #11 February 21, 2009 the theoretical scientist in me could not help it. let's agree that changing the fabric will change nothing else (i.e. the volume of the bridle, mesh, load tapes will not change). the area of a 48" PC is (pi*r^2) = 1810 sq inches the thickness of ZP material is .003 inches (as per http://www.perftex.com/milpara.htm) that gives us the volume of the 48" ZP round @ 5.43 cu inches. a 15% reduction in packing volume will result in a volume decrease of .81 cu inches... points to consider - the ,81 cu inches, compared to the TOTAL volume of the ZP PC cap with all the components will end up being less than 10% of the total volume. the values used are absolute - and are only valid if you can squeeze the very last bit of air out of the fabric. considering my math is not off, the change is quite negligible :) /I am not yuri_base. I am not yuri_base /I am not yuri_base. I am not yuri_base /I am not yuri_base. I am not yuri_base /I am not yuri_base. I am not yuri_base /I am not yuri_base. I am not yuri_base Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
travelingmack 0 #12 February 21, 2009 and the bottom line is.........would it kill you to have a tiny little smaller packvolume on your PC? not Personally Computer but your Pilot Chute???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likestojump 3 #13 February 21, 2009 it may kill it may not but the packvolume is only "tiny and little" relative to something really small, a lot smaller than the whole PC assembly the proper wording is "a tiny bit smaller than xxx". and at that point I'd rather stick with something that has worked for me and others for thousands of jumps and many years. It's not like the BOC is not made from elastic material :) but that's just me .... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
travelingmack 0 #14 February 21, 2009 yeah..it`s just you Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
halorob 0 #15 February 21, 2009 Low bulk pilot chute? Seriously? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gearless_chris 1 #16 February 21, 2009 For some reason I picture pilot chutes being made out of scraps that are left from making canopies. I imagine they'll sell you a low pack volume pilot chute for a bunch of extra money, even though they just picked it out of the trash."If it wasn't easy stupid people couldn't do it", Duane. My momma said I could be anything I wanted when I grew up, so I became an a$$hole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
travelingmack 0 #17 February 21, 2009 You went right to it and eat the whole bait didn`t you April 1st is early this year Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites