mark135 0 #26 April 21, 2004 I have always worn goggles because of my contacts. i have popped one out several times, but dont feel like going without both._______________ "It seemed like a good idea at the time" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ladyskydiver 0 #27 April 21, 2004 I voted for what I currently utilize on a jump. On an RW jump, a jumpsuit, full-face helmet, altimeter (visual), altimeter (audible - just got it recently ), and a Cypress (and a hook knife). On a FF jump, I just wear regular clothes as I currently haven't purchased any FF gear. Let's see - necessary on every jump - a rig and for me either goggles or a helmet (don't like watering eyes ). I've jumped without a Cypress and without an audible altimeter. When my Cypress goes in for it's 4 year, yes, I'd jump without it. And, if I forgot my altimeter, I'd still jump. Wouldn't be as comfortable, but I know when my brain is screaming "PULL!!!!" is usually within my pulling altitude (2,000-3,000 ft.). Would I be as comfortable without the altimeter? No...I like to be able to double check what my eyes are seeing. Was I comfortable when I jumped without a Cypress? Yes, when I turn on my Cypress in the morning...I forget it's there until the next time I turn it on.Life is short! Break the rules! Forgive quickly! Kiss slowly! Love truly, Laugh uncontrollably. And never regret anything that made you smile. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
flypunk 0 #28 April 21, 2004 jump suit- gone naked so no helmet - only when doing camera and formation and stupid jumps AAD - when possble Audible - when I remember to turn it on Visual - like to have it, will not ride the plane down Goggles - like to have then, have lost two pairs of sunglases and a visor in freefal, not a deal breaker Now lets talk bout combinations, no helmet, no cypress, big way, people I don't know... no way. on the account that I've gotten a knee in the face with a full face helmet and man did it hurt my neck. probably woul've been knocked out if not for the helmet. on a perfect skydive, give me two canopies, two handles and a hackie. ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skybytch 273 #29 April 21, 2004 Long as I have a rig with two square parachutes (harness and handles also of course) I'm good to go. Shoes are about the only other thing I won't jump without. That said, my last couple hundred jumps have been with a rig, goggles, helmet, audible alti, visual alti, hook knife, Cypres and RSL. I own them so I figure there's no reason to not jump with them. In that time I've forgotten to turn on the Cypres once and forgotten to turn on the audible once; I jumped both times anyway. I don't consider a jumpsuit to be a safety related item. I wear one on most of the jumps I make because I think I fly better with it on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sunshine 2 #30 April 21, 2004 Goggles are the only thing i require. Most of the other things are preferable to have with me, but it won't keep me on the ground if they're not available. ___________________________________________ meow I get a Mike hug! I get a Mike hug! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #31 April 21, 2004 Quote That said, my last couple hundred jumps have been with a rig, goggles, helmet, audible alti, visual alti, hook knife, Cypres and RSL. Quote Same here (sans RSL though, and full-face instead of googles). I cant recal if I did any jumps without an visual alti, though I think so on a RW group when I coulnt find mine. However, I dont think I did a jump without all these items.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites KevinMcGuire 0 #32 April 21, 2004 All I need is one parachute, a helmet, a good pair of hiking boots and some knee pads. Oh yea, a little altitude is nice as well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnMitchell 16 #33 April 21, 2004 I've never looked at my altimeter during a cutaway; I've always had more important things to do, like trying to clear it or actually cutting away. LOL. People ask "How high were you when you cutaway?" My only answer is "High enough." A look at the trees will tell you when it's time to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kosanke 0 #34 April 21, 2004 No rig, nothing.All you need is a 357 mag. I"ve seen it done in Point Break. Also, 4 minute freefall from 1 thousand feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #35 April 22, 2004 QuoteI'm curious about the goggles part. Do most people wear goggles on hop and pops? If I had to lose one piece of gear before exit, goggles would come pretty high on the list of things I can live without. I'm more curious about the 14 people who said they won't jump without a jumpsuit. Although it can prevent some minor scratches, I just don't get it. I've seen people who put a jumpsuit on just to do a hop & pop, and these were people who weren't worried about grass stains from a downwind swoop or anything. Anyone who clicked that one want to clue us in? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pilotdave 0 #36 April 22, 2004 Jumpsuit wasn't on my list so I can't speak for them, but I do know at least one person that's had to go to his reserve because his t-shirt had wrapped over the bottom of his container. I just make sure to tuck my shirt in when I go jumpsuitless, but a jumpsuit would probably be a better way of preventing that. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DrewEckhardt 0 #37 April 22, 2004 I don't make terminal jumps without goggles, and have worn a helmet since my goggles blew off and took my glasses with them. Apart from that I need at least one parachute with a reserve pack job (not all countries require a TSO'd dual canopy setup). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #38 April 22, 2004 I would say on a jump that reaches terminal velocity, for me would be the goggles. And a parachute or 2. Would jump without none of the rest. Did jump to terminal without : audible AAD Helmet (was on a tandem jump, but would do it on a "normal" jump too) clothes RSL Never jumped without : parachute visual alti (but would do it in certain cases) shoes (or sandals) (would do it depending on the planned landing area)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites relyon 0 #39 April 23, 2004 QuoteNever jumped without : parachute I have. Jumped head first out the back of a Mi-8 into lake near Imatra, Finland (10 meters and 15 KTS). Damn near killed myself when I got the wind knocked out of me on entry into the water. I logged it as gear: none and delay: N/A. Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #40 April 23, 2004 "Necessary" for what? A solo fun skydive on a hot day, or serious competition, or a 150-way, or a jump over the North Pole?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,006 #41 April 23, 2004 >"Necessary" for what? When I ask that question, I generally qualify it with "for a jump of your choice." Summer hop and pop out of a 182 - I don't need anything but a rig. 300 way from 24,000 feet - I'm going to be chock full of bits of equipment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites piisfish 140 #42 April 24, 2004 WAW... but in the end, can it still be logged ? Oh yeah, in english speaking parts it can, 'cause you are skydivers. We French speaking people still are parachutists... so we basically need a parachute to be able to log the jump. scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites remko 0 #43 April 24, 2004 Hop & Pops is all I do (CReW) and I never wear goggles. Don't like helmets but not proud of it. Hook-knife(x2) is on the top of my list, alti on the bottom, nothing in between. Will exit without but no CReW. -- Everything you know is wrong. But some of it is a useful first approximation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #44 March 22, 2005 Bump because it seems relevant to the device dependence thread. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jlmiracle 7 #45 March 22, 2005 I've only made 1 jump without an altimeter, that I can recall and that was because an instructor on the airplane forget his and we decided he needed his more than me since I was just doing a tandem video. JBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #46 March 22, 2005 A lot depends on the jump. I have jumped without any of the things up there on the top... but that was then.. this is now. I like to know what alti I am at.. even under canopy.. so a visual is good to have.... a helmet is good to have when you need it...and goggles make it a whole lot easier to see in freefall. Jumpsuit.. who needs a jumpsuit Nowadays I have all of the above ... just because... they all add up to make things safer.. so I have them on every jump... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #47 March 23, 2005 QuoteBump because it seems relevant to the device dependence thread. Blues, Dave Necessary for what? Speed skydiving contest? Birdman jump? 357 way attempt? 4-way Open at Nationals? It's an ill-posed question.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mjosparky 4 #48 March 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteBump because it seems relevant to the device dependence thread. Blues, Dave Necessary for what? Speed skydiving contest? Birdman jump? 357 way attempt? 4-way Open at Nationals? It's an ill-posed question. Posted 23 April, 2004 Quote"Necessary" for what? A solo fun skydive on a hot day, or serious competition, or a 150-way, or a jump over the North Pole? ... And that’s a repeat of your response from 23 April last year. If you feel it is that bad of a question, don't respond. Seems simple to me. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #49 March 23, 2005 QuoteNecessary for what? Speed skydiving contest? Birdman jump? 357 way attempt? 4-way Open at Nationals? It's an ill-posed question. Well, the question said: QuoteNote - I'm not referring to emergency bail-outs or anything like that, I'm talking about normal everyday jumps. If you do 357-ways or compete in nationals on your normal everyday jumps, then answer that way. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #50 March 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteNecessary for what? Speed skydiving contest? Birdman jump? 357 way attempt? 4-way Open at Nationals? It's an ill-posed question. Well, the question said: QuoteNote - I'm not referring to emergency bail-outs or anything like that, I'm talking about normal everyday jumps. If you do 357-ways or compete in nationals on your normal everyday jumps, then answer that way. Blues, Dave These require practice, don't they? You wouldn't practice with your 4-way team in different equipment than you compete in. You can't do a birdman jump without the suit. The question is ill-posed because it co-mingles all the different requirements into a single list. Kind of surprised "Hook knife" isn't on the list, too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. 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KevinMcGuire 0 #32 April 21, 2004 All I need is one parachute, a helmet, a good pair of hiking boots and some knee pads. Oh yea, a little altitude is nice as well Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #33 April 21, 2004 I've never looked at my altimeter during a cutaway; I've always had more important things to do, like trying to clear it or actually cutting away. LOL. People ask "How high were you when you cutaway?" My only answer is "High enough." A look at the trees will tell you when it's time to go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kosanke 0 #34 April 21, 2004 No rig, nothing.All you need is a 357 mag. I"ve seen it done in Point Break. Also, 4 minute freefall from 1 thousand feet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #35 April 22, 2004 QuoteI'm curious about the goggles part. Do most people wear goggles on hop and pops? If I had to lose one piece of gear before exit, goggles would come pretty high on the list of things I can live without. I'm more curious about the 14 people who said they won't jump without a jumpsuit. Although it can prevent some minor scratches, I just don't get it. I've seen people who put a jumpsuit on just to do a hop & pop, and these were people who weren't worried about grass stains from a downwind swoop or anything. Anyone who clicked that one want to clue us in? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pilotdave 0 #36 April 22, 2004 Jumpsuit wasn't on my list so I can't speak for them, but I do know at least one person that's had to go to his reserve because his t-shirt had wrapped over the bottom of his container. I just make sure to tuck my shirt in when I go jumpsuitless, but a jumpsuit would probably be a better way of preventing that. Dave Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #37 April 22, 2004 I don't make terminal jumps without goggles, and have worn a helmet since my goggles blew off and took my glasses with them. Apart from that I need at least one parachute with a reserve pack job (not all countries require a TSO'd dual canopy setup). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #38 April 22, 2004 I would say on a jump that reaches terminal velocity, for me would be the goggles. And a parachute or 2. Would jump without none of the rest. Did jump to terminal without : audible AAD Helmet (was on a tandem jump, but would do it on a "normal" jump too) clothes RSL Never jumped without : parachute visual alti (but would do it in certain cases) shoes (or sandals) (would do it depending on the planned landing area)scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
relyon 0 #39 April 23, 2004 QuoteNever jumped without : parachute I have. Jumped head first out the back of a Mi-8 into lake near Imatra, Finland (10 meters and 15 KTS). Damn near killed myself when I got the wind knocked out of me on entry into the water. I logged it as gear: none and delay: N/A. Bob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #40 April 23, 2004 "Necessary" for what? A solo fun skydive on a hot day, or serious competition, or a 150-way, or a jump over the North Pole?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,006 #41 April 23, 2004 >"Necessary" for what? When I ask that question, I generally qualify it with "for a jump of your choice." Summer hop and pop out of a 182 - I don't need anything but a rig. 300 way from 24,000 feet - I'm going to be chock full of bits of equipment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
piisfish 140 #42 April 24, 2004 WAW... but in the end, can it still be logged ? Oh yeah, in english speaking parts it can, 'cause you are skydivers. We French speaking people still are parachutists... so we basically need a parachute to be able to log the jump. scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remko 0 #43 April 24, 2004 Hop & Pops is all I do (CReW) and I never wear goggles. Don't like helmets but not proud of it. Hook-knife(x2) is on the top of my list, alti on the bottom, nothing in between. Will exit without but no CReW. -- Everything you know is wrong. But some of it is a useful first approximation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #44 March 22, 2005 Bump because it seems relevant to the device dependence thread. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jlmiracle 7 #45 March 22, 2005 I've only made 1 jump without an altimeter, that I can recall and that was because an instructor on the airplane forget his and we decided he needed his more than me since I was just doing a tandem video. JBe kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #46 March 22, 2005 A lot depends on the jump. I have jumped without any of the things up there on the top... but that was then.. this is now. I like to know what alti I am at.. even under canopy.. so a visual is good to have.... a helmet is good to have when you need it...and goggles make it a whole lot easier to see in freefall. Jumpsuit.. who needs a jumpsuit Nowadays I have all of the above ... just because... they all add up to make things safer.. so I have them on every jump... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #47 March 23, 2005 QuoteBump because it seems relevant to the device dependence thread. Blues, Dave Necessary for what? Speed skydiving contest? Birdman jump? 357 way attempt? 4-way Open at Nationals? It's an ill-posed question.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mjosparky 4 #48 March 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteBump because it seems relevant to the device dependence thread. Blues, Dave Necessary for what? Speed skydiving contest? Birdman jump? 357 way attempt? 4-way Open at Nationals? It's an ill-posed question. Posted 23 April, 2004 Quote"Necessary" for what? A solo fun skydive on a hot day, or serious competition, or a 150-way, or a jump over the North Pole? ... And that’s a repeat of your response from 23 April last year. If you feel it is that bad of a question, don't respond. Seems simple to me. SparkyMy idea of a fair fight is clubbing baby seals Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #49 March 23, 2005 QuoteNecessary for what? Speed skydiving contest? Birdman jump? 357 way attempt? 4-way Open at Nationals? It's an ill-posed question. Well, the question said: QuoteNote - I'm not referring to emergency bail-outs or anything like that, I'm talking about normal everyday jumps. If you do 357-ways or compete in nationals on your normal everyday jumps, then answer that way. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #50 March 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteNecessary for what? Speed skydiving contest? Birdman jump? 357 way attempt? 4-way Open at Nationals? It's an ill-posed question. Well, the question said: QuoteNote - I'm not referring to emergency bail-outs or anything like that, I'm talking about normal everyday jumps. If you do 357-ways or compete in nationals on your normal everyday jumps, then answer that way. Blues, Dave These require practice, don't they? You wouldn't practice with your 4-way team in different equipment than you compete in. You can't do a birdman jump without the suit. The question is ill-posed because it co-mingles all the different requirements into a single list. Kind of surprised "Hook knife" isn't on the list, too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
