Today, Tennessee State law says No to Skyride!

[lancefrazier 0]

Quote

As of today, 1 july 2008, It is now illegal for Skyride or any other company to run deceptive ads and websites in the State of Tennessee. Any company, By State Law are required to have their physical location CLEARLY posted on their website and/or ads of any kind. AND, The phone number listed on the website or ad BY LAW has to be answered in the local calling area of the advertised business and cannot be forwarded to a call center that is located outside the LOCAL CALLING AREA! Also, By STATE LAW, It is illegal for a business to use the name of a city such as Nashville, Memphis Knoxville, etc. to mislead a customer to the business's physical location.
GET LEGAL SKYRIDE OR WE WILL GET YOU, and now we have the teeth to do it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mr. napier and mr. vance,

even though i run the risk of having you "ass kickin', Redneck Tennesseans" (which i ain't the fuckin' least of, fellers) sic your dog on my nuts, or make me eat feces. or bend me over so you can drive (a la deliverance, i can only assume) i'd appreciate it if you could just help me understand how the dropzone in clarksville, tennessee, or it's parent company for that matter. is in any way violating house bill no. 3834, the amendment to Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 47, Chapter 18, relative to misrepresentation of geographical location. you know, the two page document that you geniuses are swinging around like a machete in this and at least one other thread...

you seem to really understand this new amendment, please enlighten me. i've read it SEVERAL times (i'd recommend you sound it out to each other a few more times before responding) and cannot find where the dropzone in clarksville is in violation. the dz in clarksville is what i wish to address with you. it is what you two "gentlemen" are breaking your own balls trying to ruin for the skydivers(both military and civilian) that love having an consistently operational dz within a "reasonable drive" of the nashville/clarksville area.

napier, in your above post, you claim that
"Any company, By State Law are required to have their physical location CLEARLY posted on their website and/or ads of any kind."

i only find reference to LOCAL telephone directories, or the internet. no other form of advertising appears to be addressed.

where do you find "ads of any kind"?
(we should discuss this point further in the "skydiving signs" thread)

as i review this thread i wonder if we are reading the same document.

let's get to brass tacks....


what part of this legislation is a dropzone operating in Clarksville(Montgomery County), Tennessee violating IN ANY FASHION?


there is no misrepresentation of geographic location, the locality and state are clearly referred to!

it reads to me that they can therefore forward calls to a call center in georgia, india or mars if they choose.

for that matter, did you champions of good miss the section (D), that grandfathers information supplied, published or supplied before july 1, 2008?

i plan on being in the area this weekend. come on out! we could do a skydive or two, grab a bite of lunch, and discuss it like skydivers. or you could stay home, eat your own shit sandwiches, pollute this message board and the sport in general with your insipid, vulgar bullshit, bend each other over and get that mutt involved in what you good ol' boys do much better than skydive.


i cannot believe i'm even entertaining this garbage.

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[Jumpdude 0]

What's to discuss? I've only got a few minutes.

Refuse to Lose!!!
Failure is NOT an option!
1800skyrideripoff.com
Nashvilleskydiving.org

[Jumpdude 0]

Quote

What's to discuss? I've only got a few minutes.

I'll check back in a bit later. Gotta go.

Refuse to Lose!!!
Failure is NOT an option!
1800skyrideripoff.com
Nashvilleskydiving.org

[futuredivot 0]

Your arguments are a lot like me claiming that it was legal for me to drink at 15 because I'm 42 now. Unless there has been a 100% change of business practices, Skyride is a scummy operation. If there has been a change, there's a ton of bad will that's gonna have to be worked through.
Be proud of the thousands of tandems that have been milked by Skyride because I'm sure proud of the tens of tandems that I've cost them.

You are only as strong as the prey you devour

[lancefrazier 0]

i'm not claiming anything of the sort.

i'm not even arguing ethical concerns here.

i do however, agree with your rationale. this is evident in my response to jeff's assertion that:


"My website does not say anything about our aircraft nor the condition of, so there's no deception there. "

from the skydive signs, post #53.

get back to me.

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[lancefrazier 0]

what is there to discuss? you could start by responding to my above post and the questions posed therein. while you are at it, although a bit redundant, let's add.

from the other thread:

"Now, you are still not in compliance with the Tennessee State LAW or the Georgia Supreme Court Order. Your physical Address is still not on your home page in a conspicuous location AND Your Local Phone Number is STILL answered in Cedartown, Ga."


"physical address" is not required.
the language reads

"The listing fails to clearly and conspicuously identify the locality and state of the person’s business"

locality, defined as "a particular place, situation, or location" would certainly be satisfied by the directions to outlaw field.



my reading of the new law allows a business OPERATING IN THE AREA to forward calls wherever they see fit. what local number are you calling, anyway?

i look forward to a constructive debate with you jeff.

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[prodiver913 0]

Crazy question, but what the hell is skyride and what happened? Jump in Hawaii so don't hear too much mainland news.

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.

[lancefrazier 0]

Quote

Crazy question, but what the hell is skyride and what happened? Jump in Hawaii so don't hear too much mainland news.

great question!

ever seen star wars?

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[lancefrazier 0]

"skyride" is many things.

1. a shuttle service at dallas international airport.
2. the tour of the top of the empire state building
3. a ride at the cedar point amusement park
4. a ski lift ride at the arizona snow bowl.
5. a gondola ride on the island of st. thomas.

et al...

you are inquiring about 1800skyride. which you will be getting an "ear" full about any minute now...

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[Scrumpot 1]

Quote

i'd appreciate it if you could just help me understand how the dropzone in clarksville, tennessee, or it's parent company for that matter. is in any way violating house bill no. 3834, the amendment to Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 47, Chapter 18, relative to misrepresentation of geographical location.

Well, I'll try, from strictly my OUTSIDERS perspective, if I might be so allowed...

As I've even personally seen it, I think the problem is (was) that right up until something like 12:30PM EST just YESTERDAY, the directions as were on the websites pertaining to "Skydive Nashville" (www.skydivenashville.com) "Adventure Skydiving Tennessee" (www.astskydiving.com) and possibly others - all associated supposedly with, and for the benefit of the Clarksville dropzone you refer to - all, if followed, would have had the poor unsuspecting directions follower driving all the way down to someplace instead, just outside of Atlanta, GA!

While all this has apparently just been "fixed" (just YESTERDAY) - I think, at least from what I've seen (yes, in that "other" thread, smart to get away from that other thread - it was getting UGLY in there ) - the advertising being referred to, was all promulgated and proliferated like what? - LAST WEEK?

At the time the advertising was put out, only until it was just corrected YESTERDAY (for which I think Jumpdude has already thanked you for that correction and acknowledged) - it apparently, did not comply with those laws.

That's at least as how I understand it, and how all this unfolded from the get-go.

Sure - point to the sites, and ask incredulously what is wrong NOW. You're pretending like it never was as stated and hello Lance - c'mon now, you know better.

P.S. I know nothing of Tennessean Redneck ass kickin tactics either myself. So clearly, I may just be misguided as well? Maybe that's it.

coitus non circum - Moab Stone

[lancefrazier 0]

Quote

Quote

i'd appreciate it if you could just help me understand how the dropzone in clarksville, tennessee, or it's parent company for that matter. is in any way violating house bill no. 3834, the amendment to Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 47, Chapter 18, relative to misrepresentation of geographical location.

Well, I'll try, from strictly my OUTSIDERS perspective, if I might be so allowed...

As I've even personally seen it, I think the problem is (was) that right up until something like 12:30PM EST just YESTERDAY, the directions as were on the websites pertaining to "Skydive Nashville" (www.skydivenashville.com) "Adventure Skydiving Tennessee" (www.astskydiving.com) and possibly others - all associated supposedly with, and for the benefit of the Clarksville dropzone you refer to - all, if followed, would have had the poor unsuspecting directions follower driving all the way down to someplace instead, just outside of Atlanta, GA!

While all this has apparently just been "fixed" (just YESTERDAY) - I think, at least from what I've seen (yes, in that "other" thread, smart to get away from that other thread - it was getting UGLY in there ) - the advertising being referred to, was all promulgated and proliferated like what? - LAST WEEK?

At the time the advertising was put out, only until it was just corrected YESTERDAY (for which I think Jumpdude has already thanked you for that correction and acknowledged) - it apparently, did not comply with those laws.

That's at least as how I understand it, and how all this unfolded from the get-go.

Sure - point to the sites, and ask incredulously what is wrong NOW. You're pretending like it never was as stated and hello Lance - c'mon now, you know better.

P.S. I know nothing of Tennessean Redneck ass kickin tactics either myself. So clearly, I may just be misguided as well? Maybe that's it.

i doubt the guys i'm bickering with are much on ass kickin' either. they certainly are not too hip on readin' .

your tenacity is a credit to you, so i'll play along.

i assume you have read the above mentioned piece of legislation thoroughly. if not, please do. it takes about, oh, 3 minutes.

you have successfully parroted the the complaints presented in this thread, but have missed the mark on my challenge.

"Sure - point to the sites, and ask incredulously what is wrong NOW. You're pretending like it never was as stated and hello Lance - c'mon now, you know better. "

the websites are of no concern to my question, i am pointing to the law.

let me restate the question for you.

how has the dropzone in clarksville, tennesee, which has been in operation since the very early spring of 2008 violated the aforementioned amendment that took effect on july 1, 2008?

(i'm spoon feeding you, buddy)

grant, like many others you are begging the question.

i'm not a lawyer, as a matter of fact, i'm a janitor. i could be dead wrong, and proven a fool. i don't mind that.

get back to me.

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[Jumpdude 0]

Quote

what is there to discuss? you could start by responding to my above post and the questions posed therein. while you are at it, although a bit redundant, let's add.

from the other thread:

"Now, you are still not in compliance with the Tennessee State LAW or the Georgia Supreme Court Order. Your physical Address is still not on your home page in a conspicuous location AND Your Local Phone Number is STILL answered in Cedartown, Ga."


"physical address" is not required.
the language reads

"The listing fails to clearly and conspicuously identify the locality and state of the person’s business"

locality, defined as "a particular place, situation, or location" would certainly be satisfied by the directions to outlaw field.



my reading of the new law allows a business OPERATING IN THE AREA to forward calls wherever they see fit. what local number are you calling, anyway?

i look forward to a constructive debate with you jeff.

For the "Location" question, Well,,, Why not add the address? Is it too much typing? I did it, and most every other Non sLyride DZ who's websites I have looked at have their Address on their sites, usually somewhere on their home page. Since sLyride has been refusing to add their addresses of the DZ's that either take the certificates or owned by sLyride, a large portion of the DZ's have their addresses in a place that is seen as soon as the surfer hits the website. I will tell you this, about 75% of the calls I get are really confused about where they can skydive because there's soo many damn sites that they hit that don't give a location.

Refuse to Lose!!!
Failure is NOT an option!
1800skyrideripoff.com
Nashvilleskydiving.org

[popsjumper 2]

Nice try, Lance, at the misdirection.

What's funny as hell is that Slyride opens the DZ and then shoots itself in the foot with the Slyride fake web pages.

Look at the Skydive Nashville site....no address, no meaningful information of any kind on the website...anywhere. BUT! They do give directions (no mileages) on how to get there! YaY!!!!!

Oooops...the directions send people to Cedartown, GA...home of, yep, you guessed it, SLYRIDE!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Jumpdude 0]

Quote

Nice try, Lance, at the misdirection.

What's funny as hell is that Slyride opens the DZ and then shoots itself in the foot with the Slyride fake web pages.

Look at the Skydive Nashville site....no address, no meaningful information of any kind on the website...anywhere. BUT! They do give directions (no mileages) on how to get there! YaY!!!!!

Oooops...the directions send people to Cedartown, GA...home of, yep, you guessed it, SLYRIDE!

I love it, It's catching on, or maybe I need to trademark the term sLyride", But that's ok, nobody that matters cares. Feel free to use it as much as you want, or maybe as much as you can! I've also got the .com to boot!
sLyride, catch the fever! (look for info on the Cat Aids boogie and you'll see where that came from)

Refuse to Lose!!!
Failure is NOT an option!
1800skyrideripoff.com
Nashvilleskydiving.org

[popsjumper 2]

I looked at DZ.com's DZ locator for Clarksville Skydiving Association.
http://www.dropzone.com/dropzone/Detailed/1249.shtml

Take a look at the Google map.

You have to zoom out quite a ways (about 11 times) but you'll get a kick out of it.



Clicking on the link for their homepage yielded:
"Moved
The document has moved here."

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[lancefrazier 0]

andy,

thank you for your insight. your pointed response is totally relevant, not to mention timely.

you once again have proven your knack for clearly understanding the matter at hand and striking the nail right on the head!

try to stay warm tonight,
lance

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[lancefrazier 0]

"But that's ok, nobody that matters cares"

how right you are my man!

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[popsjumper 2]

Lance, just out of curiosity, who lives at 886 Glenraven Dr. in Clarksville?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Jumpdude 0]

Quote

"But that's ok, nobody that matters cares"

how right you are my man!

Anything else you need before I log off?

Refuse to Lose!!!
Failure is NOT an option!
1800skyrideripoff.com
Nashvilleskydiving.org

[lancefrazier 0]

andy,
leave my mom out of this, please.

she hates me skydiving. this would prove to be too much for her.

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[lancefrazier 0]

i need a camera helmet. if i click on your website a few hundred times will you buy it for me for Christmas?

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[Jumpdude 0]

Quote

Lance, just out of curiosity, who lives at 886 Glenraven Dr. in Clarksville?

That is the address of Mike Paiser. He played a role if getting sLyride in at Clarksville. He's also one of the two that we kicked out of our operation at Russellville.
That is the truth, NO slanderous statements there. We have the copies of the certified letters that was sent to him and the other person. And NO, out of respect for DZ.com, The Mods, and, well,,, ok, Paiser's privacy, I'm not going the quote the reasons and/or contents of the letter here.

Note to the Mods, If this is going too far, I'll be glad to delete it if you will PM me before the edit period runs out.

Refuse to Lose!!!
Failure is NOT an option!
1800skyrideripoff.com
Nashvilleskydiving.org

[lancefrazier 0]

Quote

Quote

Lance, just out of curiosity, who lives at 886 Glenraven Dr. in Clarksville?

That is the address of Mike Paiser. He played a role if getting sLyride in at Clarksville. He's also one of the two that we kicked out of our operation at Russellville.
That is the truth, NO slanderous statements there. We have the copies of the certified letters that was sent to him and the other person. And NO, out of respect for DZ.com, The Mods, and, well,,, ok, Paiser's privacy, I'm not going the quote the reasons and/or contents of the letter here.

Note ro the Mods, If this is going too far, I'll be glad to delete it if you will PM me before the edit period runs out.

i knew it! mike paiser has moved in with my mom!

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo

[Jumpdude 0]

Quote

Quote

Quote

Lance, just out of curiosity, who lives at 886 Glenraven Dr. in Clarksville?

That is the address of Mike Paiser. He played a role if getting sLyride in at Clarksville. He's also one of the two that we kicked out of our operation at Russellville.
That is the truth, NO slanderous statements there. We have the copies of the certified letters that was sent to him and the other person. And NO, out of respect for DZ.com, The Mods, and, well,,, ok, Paiser's privacy, I'm not going the quote the reasons and/or contents of the letter here.

Note ro the Mods, If this is going too far, I'll be glad to delete it if you will PM me before the edit period runs out.

i knew it! mike paiser has moved in with my mom!

I'm offline.

Refuse to Lose!!!
Failure is NOT an option!
1800skyrideripoff.com
Nashvilleskydiving.org

[lancefrazier 0]

"I'm offline."

you mean out of line.

i declare myself the de facto victor of our little "debate". this, coupled with a five spot, will get me a sausage biscuit and a redbull at cowboy's tomorrow morning.

how satisfying.

now what shall i do about paiser....

well im not a skyride fan by any means, but this sport is and always has been rich in moraly questionable behavior. -parabuteo