billvon 2,990 #251 November 24, 2008 >However, I do think that tandem flying will evolve just like freefly and other >disciplines did... Well, freefly did indeed evolve - but AFF students still go through the course on their bellies. There's a difference between working with students and doing stuff you think is fun, as I mentioned. With students, safety is paramount, and always will be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #252 November 24, 2008 QuoteHowever, I do think that tandem flying will evolve just like freefly and other disciplines did... Taking unnecessary risks and putting a first time jumper in added danger that they know nothing about is not evolving. It's fucking stupidity.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skittles_of_SDC 0 #253 November 24, 2008 This thread kinda intermingles with the old thread about tandems being a learning tool or an amusement park ride depending how they are treated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pywas 0 #254 November 24, 2008 Quote However, I do think that tandem flying will evolve just like freefly and other disciplines did... I guess you don't get it, if an AFF instructors like freeflying, they don't teach their students to sitfly at AFF course, it's not safe, the same thing goes to tandems... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #255 November 24, 2008 The only reference I have that says not to do this is from Bill Boothe and Marc Procos them selves. When I took the I/E course and we got to the pic in the manuel Marc said "Cross that out" and Bill explianed why. Maybe not Forbiden but highly discouraged. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #256 November 24, 2008 I wonder what Marco Tiezzi would say about this..."Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #257 November 24, 2008 QuoteThis thread kinda intermingles with the old thread about tandems being a learning tool or an amusement park ride depending how they are treated. it could easily be broken into 2 threads. One on TMs with 1st time jumpers and one on TMs jumping with experienced jumpers.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oozzee 0 #258 November 25, 2008 the jump was done in australia.. been done more than once... been done a few times since here in usa but no more pix... i dont want to get on trouble Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bclark 0 #259 November 25, 2008 Quoteit could easily be broken into 2 threads. One on TMs with 1st time jumpers and one on TMs jumping with experienced jumpers. Or how about one thread entitled: If you are going to do this shit, do it with people as dumb as yourself (not students), and at least be smart enough about it to keep your mouth shut and not publish photos on the internet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #260 November 25, 2008 QuoteQuoteit could easily be broken into 2 threads. One on TMs with 1st time jumpers and one on TMs jumping with experienced jumpers. Or how about one thread entitled: If you are going to do this shit, do it with people as dumb as yourself (not students), and at least be smart enough about it to keep your mouth shut and not publish photos on the internet. Yeah, same goes for flying pocket sized canopies and and taking objects out of planes, and leaving the ground in the 1st place. ‘Cause lord knows that we never should do anything that is considered risky, I think I'll park my bike and never ride it again, everyone should pack up their rig and leave them in the closet, because lets face it. Skydiving is an unnecessary risk that only fools and dumbfucks would ever consider doing.You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #261 November 25, 2008 QuoteI wonder what Marco Tiezzi would say about this... Who the fuck cares? You don't seem to care what any other highly experience Tandem Instructors say if their opinions don't fit your view. Last post of mine in this thread, Sangi remember up thread how you said you have trouble finding people to jump with because you're a light weight? You sure that's the reason? I hope you find some open mindedness for yourself in this sport, for all the complaining you're doing about "old timers who are too set in their ways", you've developed that attitude in spades. You seem to equate open mindedness and forward thinking with rule breaking, not understanding that it takes open mindedness, the ability to think ahead, experience, blood and failures to create those rules. Without them Tandem skydiving would have never survived the 20+ years it has.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #262 November 25, 2008 Quote Yeah, same goes for flying pocket sized canopies and and taking objects out of planes, and leaving the ground in the 1st place. ‘Cause lord knows that we never should do anything that is considered risky, I think I'll park my bike and never ride it again, everyone should pack up their rig and leave them in the closet, because lets face it. Skydiving is an unnecessary risk that only fools and dumbfucks would ever consider doing. So true."Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #263 November 25, 2008 Quote Quote Who the fuck cares? You don't seem to care what any other highly experience Tandem Instructors say if their opinions don't fit your view. Last post of mine in this thread, Sangi remember up thread how you said you have trouble finding people to jump with because you're a light weight? You sure that's the reason? I hope you find some open mindedness for yourself in this sport, for all the complaining you're doing about "old timers who are too set in their ways", you've developed that attitude in spades. I bet a lot of people who jump in Europe do care what he has to say, he invented atmonauti and does it with tandems... Yeah I'm sure that's the reason, because when I jumped with them they would just fall too fast and I couldn't keep up, besides most of them are FreeFlyers and most likely too bored to jump and teach me... Well anyway, we'll wait some time and see what happens with tandem modern flying "Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Squeak 17 #264 November 25, 2008 Quote Quote Yeah, same goes for flying pocket sized canopies and and taking objects out of planes, and leaving the ground in the 1st place. ‘Cause lord knows that we never should do anything that is considered risky, I think I'll park my bike and never ride it again, everyone should pack up their rig and leave them in the closet, because lets face it. Skydiving is an unnecessary risk that only fools and dumbfucks would ever consider doing. So true. I don’t need you to support me argument, in fact I would prefer you didn’tYou are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky) My Life ROCKS! How's yours doing? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #265 November 25, 2008 please make it 3 threads... the third being those of us that realize the gear will not sustain the loads and the stress placed on it from such activity no matter what the experience level is. drogues, tandem rigs, harnesses, canopies are not designed to support 3 people, much less the 4 shown in the hybrid jump shown on here. Anyone one of you geniuses know what tandem gear is rated at? Or simply not care? My personal opinion and argument is this has nothing to do with experience levels and everything to do with the gear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yeyo 1 #266 November 25, 2008 Quote ...he invented atmonauti lol ....and you said that to jp HISPA #93 DS #419.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #267 November 25, 2008 Quote lol ....and you said that to jp ?"Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sangi 0 #268 November 25, 2008 Quote the third being those of us that realize the gear will not sustain the loads and the stress placed on it from such activity no matter what the experience level is. So why didn't the gear break down in the Polish video? Or are you just saying it's a matter of "luck" and it can happen next time they do it?"Dream as you'll live forever, live as you'll die today." James Dean Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #269 November 25, 2008 >So why didn't the gear break down in the Polish video? The same reason your rig won't (usually) break if you deploy the reserve at head-down speeds. Heck, 8 out of 10 times you'll probably be OK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #270 November 25, 2008 Let me know when you're coming to the US to jump. I want to make sure my friends and I aren't at that DZ at that time.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AtomF 0 #271 November 25, 2008 Quote Or are you just saying it's a matter of "luck" and it can happen next time they do it? Buy 2 canopies, same size, brand new. Do 200 jumps on one with normal weight. Do 200 jumps on the other with double your exit weight. Think there will be a difference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowpull 0 #272 November 25, 2008 I don't know Dave, might make for some eye catching video. I can hear the intro now "Tonite on Rescue 911, an English sky-god attempts to prove, yet again, that stupidity IS painful" "I'm William Shatner,and we will return right after a word from our sponsor, Lifestyle condoms, because some gene pools should be allowed to dry up" What ya think? ralph Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnDeere 0 #273 November 25, 2008 That is great!Nothing opens like a Deere! You ignorant fool! Checks are for workers! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #274 November 25, 2008 Quote I don't know Dave, might make for some eye catching video. I can hear the intro now "Tonite on Rescue 911, an English sky-god attempts to prove, yet again, that stupidity IS painful" "I'm William Shatner,and we will return right after a word from our sponsor, Lifestyle condoms, because some gene pools should be allowed to dry up" What ya think? And then...they called...9...1...1... Ralph, I think you're a comedic genius and have pretty much hit the nail right on the head. Where can we buy a human sized divot fixer for later? Remember, replace your divots, be kind to all the other people who may use the course later.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yeyo 1 #275 November 25, 2008 Quote Quote lol ....and you said that to jp ? JP invented atmonauti in 1745. That Marco guy just made it pretty with the color coordinated suits and the G-Force helmets. And thats a FACT!HISPA #93 DS #419.5 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
