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I also work for Sin City Skydiving and the only reason I started this post is because there really is bad shit going on over there. It seem's like every time I talk with my little birdy over there they have another story to tell me about what had happened.

Chris......there isnt anyone in the world that dislikes Skydive Las Vegas more than me. The fucker banned me for life.
When you guys post shit like this.......while working at another local DZ....it just looks tacky, man, and smells worse.
Besides all that, its poor business practice.

Now if you posted shit like this about your next door neighbor......you know as well as I do know that Dale would come kick your collective asses.

Stay above board Chris....just tell the story.



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I agree that the info should be discussed but the politics should be left out. thats why vegas sucks for skydivers.


We all know that the business prcatices suck in the DZ's In vegas. but when the safety is effected we should hear about it in order to stay informed of whats going on locally.
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Very well said Jt. As for Bozo's commit I would denifanty post a inicident even if it happend at my neighbors dz wich is on the other side of the wall..:P



You didnt read JTs post, or mine , very well did you Chris ?
We were agreeing with your post WITHOUT the political bullshit you tried to inject.

And......if you dont think Dale would kick your ass you better get a clue. :oP


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So if I dont post incidents that happin in Vegas who will Slv, dale and eddie. It will all just get put under the rug and no one will ever here about it. Then when something does happin everyone will just say oh this is the first thing thats ever happin here. Well im just getting sick of seeing these shady dz's doing stupid shit like running planes off the run way when the brakes failed because there was a problem with them and the dzo wanted to finish the day. Or pulling low because there only going to 6500' having 2 emergancy exit's in a month.

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So if I dont post incidents that happin in Vegas who will Slv, dale and eddie. It will all just get put under the rug and no one will ever here about it.




Chris...you arent listening well. We agree. Post the incidents, by all means.

What JT and I are against are the snippy digs at the other dropzone.
The people here are smart enough to understand where youre coming from and what you are inferring.

A crappy dropzone gets plenty of bad press just thru word of mouth.


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we all agree.

POST THE INCIDENTS.

one thing that drives us all crazy is shady business practices.

but Chris next time you post, give us some details.
the original post was very vague and leaves room for speculation.

I did some prodding and found that you were correct. I added the info that I knew. (it was pretty hard not to post my personal gripes but I tried to keep it about the incident, not my feelings toward the business practice)
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Poor maintenance, low tandem jumps/pulls, shady business practices…..Do you think the fact that the Vegas Tandem Mills do not allow fun jumpers increases the risk of such things occurring? Experienced jumpers have the knowledge and courage to speak up and cry foul when things like this occur (or before). Another reason not to send your friends to tandem mills…no commitment to the sport….no commitment to safety.
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It may seem that way. if there were fun jumpers around they would not stand for a "Full altitude" skydive from 6500ft AGL. so they wouldnt stay long anyway.

the owners are so worried about turning a buck that they do mind false advertisement.
They offer a higher price for lower skydives. the ONLY thing that I would allow for is that they offer a ride to and from the DZ. but that is why they charge $30-60 more than other DZ's.


but they also cut the jump (altitude)in half.
I sometimes Wonder Why the hell the instructors put up with it. I know a lot of them and I would LIKE TO THINK that if there was a serious safety issue that they wouldnt jump.

I did speak with the instructor who had to exit at 4500 with a tandem. the plane was not gaining altitude and they felt the safest thing was to exit (rather than chance going down with the plane which luckily did not happen)

I know one thing for sure. I try to tell all those who I talk to about a tandem to make their own decision. I also educate them on the things they need to ask.

I bring about 4 tandems to the DZ/month on average. I am sure they have the best time that we can give them. I'm just a fucking vidoe guy. I don't have any affiliation with the DZ other than I LOVE to jump there because the people are great and there polotics are non existent....and they get what they're offered. (on a hot day we may only get to 9500 but that's when a load of"big boys")
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I don't have any affiliation with the DZ other than I LOVE to jump there because the people are great and there polotics are non existent....and they get what they're offered. (on a hot day we may only get to 9500 but that's when a load of"big boys")




Who you talkin' about Willis ????????????????


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Hay Bozo how you doing B|? I didn't mean to get fun jumpers upset or start a long drawn out conversation :). As far as posting things about Dale and Eddie you are wrong bozo :o. I don't think that Dale or eddie could or would try to kick my ass about me posting anything about there 207 crash or the 2 tandem cypress fires that happend and they allowed the tandem instructors to keep working there at VES >:( or the way that SLV and VES are doing every thing in there power to shut down SinCitySkydiving :P. I do agree with you that the politics in las vegas suck to no end >:(. By the way Bozo We at SinCitySkydiving are going to build a fun jumper dropzone in las vegas again that is one of the reasons we openned B|. So mark these words bozo in about 1 years time or less there will be a real FUN JUMPER friendly dropzone in the las vegas area again and yes we will be jumping some kind of turbine :ph34r:. That is all I have to say about that.;)
P.S. Have fun skydiving, Blue Skies and GOD BLESS:)!!!

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As far as posting things about Dale and Eddie you are wrong bozo :o. I don't think that Dale or eddie could or would try to kick my ass about me posting anything about there 207 crash or the 2 tandem cypress fires that happend and they allowed the tandem instructors to keep working reply]
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Who you talkin' about Willis ????????????????



I am talking about the fact that I don't work at a DZ to pay bills. I do it to help out. Sure, sometimes It feels like a job but I still go to Mesquite by CHOICE. I don't take money, unless its to pay for soemthing skydive related.(like kennys old rig)


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So mark these words bozo in about 1 years time or less there will be a real FUN JUMPER friendly dropzone in the las vegas area again and yes we will be jumping some kind of turbine :ph34r:. That is all I have to say about that.;)



I've only been here for 3 years and I wish you ALL the luck with that, but you have A LOT of disinterested skydivers in the valley. They won't even come to jump if you offer them $7 jumps.
I know you know that there's a stigma that will take longer than a year to get passed.

I personally won't jump in Jean again until/unless VES is out of the picture. They were doing all sorts of shitty things like dropping thier jumpers below Gravity zones jump run. taking GZ's wind sock in when there were jumpers in the air. Beating up a pilot in the bath room. Its a bunch of childish busllshit that I want nothing to do with. Not just with that DZ but with anyone that propagated that bullshit.[:/]
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Beating up a pilot in the bath room.



Did I read that right? :S:S



yeah.....you read it right.



You shure did I was there when it had happened. I was working for Gravity Zone and it was our pilot they were made because we would get to the top before they would. So when he went to take a piss they beat the shit out of him and since no one saw it no one got arrested.

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Beating up a pilot in the bath room.



Did I read that right? :S:S



yeah.....you read it right.



You shure did I was there when it had happened. I was working for Gravity Zone and it was our pilot they were made because we would get to the top before they would.

There was a little more to it than that....words exchanged......fuck you this...fuck you that...and the pilot got whacked.
Skydiving in Las Vegas...is....and always has been WEIRD.


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yea I remembered that there was some words and bad blood between them but to beat him upwhile he's working is fucking ridiculous.


That fact they they beat him up at all was dumb and speaks volumes about the character of people who worked there
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Hey jt! I know what you mean.I came here from Skydive Oregon and everyone got along up in the Northwest. I remember seeing DZO's from the direct competition skydiving with us there.Skydivers would move freely back and forth from one DZ to another.You would see Skydive Oregon folks at Skydive Toledo.You would see Toledo folks at Skydive Oregon or kapowisin.The eugene people would show up everywhere.Everyone got along and had a shit load of goodtimes meeting new friends and learning from each other.The egos were put aside and the sweet goodness was about.When I came to vegas I was amazed at all the fucked up shit that I witnessed here.I have only returned here to help Brad achieve his dream of a real DZ that people can come to and have fun without all the vegas bullshit.The other DZ's are trying to prevent this from happening(Mesquite not included)since in my oppinion, all they want is to prey on the tourist(tandems) and huck em out as low as possible. Brad is looking forward to the day he can buy his own aircraft and offer 10000 AGL or better to everyone, students and experienced alike,but as of now leasing and fuel are tough on a new business.Even with that,he is planning night dives next month for experienced people.Give him a call and check on it.
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yea I did see the night jumps advertised.
he been doing a good job getting his name out there.

Just how you described your local dz is how I wish it was here. its that way with Ogden and Mesquite. but they arent exactly local.

I may go check you the night jumps but Im still undecided. it would be cool to jump at the old dz though.
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